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By SUZANNE GAMBOA
Associated Press
Published/Last Modified on Friday, Oct 12, 2007 - 05:15:57 am MST

WASHINGTON — Threats to animals and the environment from border fencing must be weighed against dangers that exist where there is no fence, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Thursday.

“I have to say to myself, ‘Yes, I don’t want to disturb the habitat of a lizard, but am I prepared to pay human lives to do that?” Chertoff said in a phone interview.

His comments came a day after a U.S. district court judge temporarily delayed construction of a 1.5-mile fence the Homeland Security Department is building in an Arizona natural conservation area.


The judge ruled Wednesday that the federal government rushed its environmental study, written in three weeks, and did not take a comprehensive look at how that fencing might affect other parts of the border.

Defenders of Wildlife and the Sierra Club petitioned for the delay.

Chertoff said some 20,000 undocumented immigrants crossed illegally last year at San Pedro Riparian Natural Conservation Area in Arizona.

Those immigrants left trash, human waste and abandoned vehicles in the area.

They also introduce parasites to the area’s aquifer brought with them in water bottles filled south of the border, Chertoff said.

Visitors to border parks also face dangers from armed drug traffickers and smugglers.

But Judge Ellen Huvelle rejected a similar argument by the Homeland Security Department’s attorney Gregory Page on Wednesday.

Huvelle said the environmental problems and threats to the border have existed for years with no action from the agency.

She reminded Page several times Congress gave the Homeland Security Department authority to waive environmental laws to deal with border security.

She also said the agency is not studying the effect erecting fence on one part of the border has on another part of the border.

“Obviously the more fences put up, the more stresses on where the fence isn’t,” she said.

Chertoff said he has used his waiver authority previously for border fencing and “I certainly reserve the right to use it again.”

But he added that he is “committed” to reasonable environmental assessments and to taking steps that would reduce environmental  impact  from  the  fencing.

A group of border lawmakers and the Texas chapter of the Sierra Club urged Chertoff to study the cumulative effect of building fencing on the nearly 2,000-mile southern border

The lawmakers sent a letter to Chertoff Thursday insisting that public hearings be held.

“Much of the fencing along the southwest border is on protected lands and wildlife refuges, or along levees that protect our communities from flooding,” the congressional members said in the letter.

“The wall ... divides a university. It divides the Santa Ana Refuge between McAllen and Brownsville. We have spent millions and millions of dollars to protect the environment and here they come and divide the land and destroy the environmental protection we have established,” said Rep. Solomon Ortiz, D-Texas.

Along with Ortiz, lawmakers who signed the letter are Democratic Reps. Ciro Rodriguez and Ruben Hinojosa of Texas, and Raul Grijalva and Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona.

Other lawmakers were expected to add their names.

The Sierra Club’s Texas chapter also announced its opposition to fencing along the Texas-Mexico border Thursday for similar reasons.

Bob Irvin, a senior vice president with the Defenders of Wildlife, said jaguars have been seen in the Arizona conservation area. The government should have to consider whether a fence will keep them from moving normally across the border and if the cats will survive if they are forced to shift their movements.

“You can’t look at the impact on wildlife where you are building a wall. You have to look at the impact in other areas as well,” Irvin said.

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    Dan wrote on Oct 13, 2007 8:15 PM:

    " Chertoff will use the waiver authority granted by Congress. BUILD THE FENCE!!! "

    Larry Brown wrote on Oct 13, 2007 8:52 AM:

    " I am not buying for a minute that those resisting the construction of the border security fence are concerned about the enviornment or the habitat of some rare lizard. Massive illegal border jumping has done more damage to native plants and animal life (including natural habitat) than a fence could ever do. The real question is do you want to save this country by stopping this invasion from Mexico or do you not want to stop it? "

    richard r. brown wrote on Oct 13, 2007 8:12 AM:

    " Environmental Groups such as the Sierra Club who willfully ignore the connection between rapid population growth and environmental degradation continue to lose credibility with the grownups of the world. Which would be the most environmentally damaging, restricting the wanderings of a couple of male jaguars in Arizona, or adding 50 million more people to our population? If you can't figure this out, join the Sierra Club. "

    Carl Clark wrote on Oct 13, 2007 7:46 AM:

    " The people who are screamimg not build the fence and the government seemly cracking down on illegal aliens are the people who need to be looked at for aiding and abeting illegal aliens,WHICH BY THE WAY IS A FEDERAL FELONY. "

    Bobby wrote on Oct 13, 2007 1:49 AM:

    " Giffords is as phony as phony gets. My opinion true, but what Democrat comes to mind that is serious about the damage massive illegal immigration is causing in wage depression, crime, culture challange, language issues? None that I know of. Giffords and Napolitano are cut from the same cloth. The longer you have them as "representatives" the worse off you will be. Again, strictly my opinion. "

    BurningAtlanta wrote on Oct 12, 2007 10:29 PM:

    " The Sierra Club and other PC enviro-weenies have had jack to say about the thousands of acres DESTROYED by illegals but whine about a fence to halt the flood? Total hypocrites. And they, like others, hate to admit that crossings are DOWN 27% across the length of that border. They prefer a "Blame America" attitude and couch their arguments in the typical rhetoric of the pro-illegals boo-hoo brigade. "

    Bobby wrote on Oct 12, 2007 9:48 PM:

    " Truth, why is it that people like Giffords are continuously fooling people. My Lord, she does not have the citizenry of Arizonas best interests at heart. Why, why can people not see this? Politicians like Giffords and Napolitano seem to have a talent for endless bluffing their way past the common sense of taxpaying citizens. "

    Ben wrote on Oct 12, 2007 7:01 PM:

    " The fact that some of these open borders nuts, now are so emphatic about protecting the environment after years of destruction by illegal alien intruders, is ridiculous. Why don't they just tell the truth, that they want illegal immigration to continue, at least then, they would have an ounce of honor. The Secure Fence Act is law, tough, deal with it! "

    Keanolo wrote on Oct 12, 2007 6:42 PM:

    " TMichael Chertoff holds the trump card in this silly ,frivolous lawsuitb filed by the Sierrra Club et al. All he has to do is play it. America is counting on him to do so if our Wall is to go up and our nation secured. I have sympathy for the lizards and insects which may be affected by the Wall but hey you can't make an omellete without breaking eggs. "

    jack wrote on Oct 12, 2007 11:27 AM:

    " This is a situation where a 'virtual fence' in sensitive areas makes sense. Perhaps an environmental study would come to the same conclusion. "

    Truth wrote on Oct 12, 2007 5:59 AM:

    " Now we see, where Gabby really stands on illegal immigration. She was one of the few lawmakers, that signed a letter, demanding a public hearing on building the fence. She has her head in the sand, or someplace. "

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