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Soldier killed in Tucson shooting

By Bill Hess
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Sunday, Nov 04, 2007 - 09:19:29 am MST

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FORT HUACHUCA — A post Signal Corps soldier was shot and killed and another was wounded early Saturday morning after leaving a nightclub in Tucson.

Both soldiers were members of the 69th Signal Company, said Gordon Van Vleet, spokesman for the Network Enterprise Technology Command/9th Signal Command (Army).

Late Saturday, Tucson police Sgt. Mark Robinson identified the dead soldier as Robert Allen Glenn, 25.

Van Vleet said he was a specialist, who was a cable and wire installer.

The name, rank, age and other personal information about the injured soldier will not be released until 24 hours after their next-of-kin have been notified, said Van Vleet, of whose command the 69th is part.

Robinson said there was a verbal altercation inside Club Envy, which is located at the 5800 east block of Speedway.

“The soldiers left the club. It was no big deal. There was no physical altercation inside the club,” Robinson said.

The three soldiers got into a car with an out-of-state license plate and headed west on Speedway, he said. Approximately a mile later the suspect, who is identified as Jurel Dionne Roberson, 21, drove by the vehicle with the soldiers in it and reportedly fired several shots at them.

The suspect is a black man, 5 foot 9 inches tall, weighing approximately 150 pounds, with black hair, brown eyes and a thin mustache and goatee, Robinson said. The suspect was driving a light-colored 1998 Nissan Ultima with Arizona license plate 697-WPB. The car apparently is not Roberson’s and is not reported stolen, the police spokesman added.

“He (the suspect) fled the scene,” Robinson said.

His shots hit and killed a soldier who was a passenger in the front seat.

The driver was wounded but was able to pull the vehicle into a parking area along Speedway, Roberson said. A soldier in the back seat was not hit. The driver and back seat passenger are in their 20s.

The injured soldier was taken to a Tucson hospital with life-threatening wounds and was operated on, Robinson said. The soldier was listed in serious condition after the operation.

Police received the initial call at 2:12 a.m. Emergency medical personnel arrived on scene shortly after that.

The soldier who was killed was declared dead at the scene at 2:19 a.m.

Army investigators from the fort arrived on scene a few hours later and said they will take over the notification of the next-of-kin process, said Robinson, who was one of the initial responders.

Roberson is being sought on first-degree murder and drive-by shooting charges, the police spokesman said.

Van Vleet said some members of the 69th are scheduled to depart for Iraq later this year. It is unknown if the soldiers involved in the incident were to deploy.

HERALD/REVIEW senior reporter Bill Hess can be reached at 515-4615.

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Dan wrote on Nov 14, 2007 10:42 AM:

" I agree AZ is like a killing field. It is a free for all. No laws, no rules, just people killing people, just like the NRA wanted. "

PJR wrote on Nov 14, 2007 10:13 AM:

" Obviously he typed from his PDA, he is probably in the hospital. Common sense people, and it is not even close to the topic of this article! "

Soldier wrote on Nov 14, 2007 6:02 AM:

" AZ is turning into another Iraq. In Iraq everyone has a weapon and people just go around killing each other. Everyone having guns is not the solution, especially the ones who have prior weapons felonies. AZ you need to wake up, and put some controls in place to limit who can buy guns. You are out of control. "

NO WAY wrote on Nov 13, 2007 8:26 PM:

" Hey Marcie, I am No Way Jose, now are you happy I used my name? "

To Justin wrote on Nov 13, 2007 5:00 PM:

" "I'm the other guy that was in the car. I can't believe you all are talking about this on here, what is your problem? My best friend is dead stupid people! I was almost dead skip gun laws and all the other stuff people are always going to have access to guns that's the reality of America. I ask just pray for my friends family that's all." Fixed that for you, now it's somewhat intelligible. "

To the military soldiers! wrote on Nov 13, 2007 1:14 PM:

" Thank you for defending our country and I am proud of each and every one of you. It takes brave men and women to serve this country. "

TO JUSTIN wrote on Nov 13, 2007 11:39 AM:

" Before you start ragging on us, don't you think the public might want to know that a stupid decision was made and the consequence was tragic? NOW you feel bad for your friend's family?? Should have thought about that before heading up to Tucson, no? "

I think I need glasses wrote on Nov 13, 2007 11:30 AM:

" WHOA!! Justin... is that text message language? My 12 year old spells better than that and uses punctuation. All I can say is WHOA!!! "

to those in favor of gun control in d.c. wrote on Nov 13, 2007 11:08 AM:

" today the spreme cort struck down the ban on handguns in washington, d.c. saying it violated 2nd amendment rights. "

Marcie wrote on Nov 13, 2007 9:02 AM:

" To "No Way" I'd like to mention a few things to you. First, do you think Justin might still be upset about what he saw and made some typing errors. Second, not everyone is good at spelling, that doesn't mean that they aren't blessed in other areas. He might be very gifted in his area of work. And third, Justin was not ashamed to use his name. He is holding his head up. You hid your comments behind No Way.I'm not ashamed of what I say, thats why I can use my name. "

Agreeing with Cubicle Lord wrote on Nov 13, 2007 8:23 AM:

" I'm glad that you brought that up Cubicle Lord, I was starting to think I was the only one that knew about the zombie invasion!!! "

Dan wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:51 PM:

" To NO WAY: Please grow up, your comment had nothing to do with the topic, hey why don't you go to the base walk up to a bunch of GI's and say the same thing you just said to their face, not everyone is perfect like you. "

Angels watching over you! wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:56 AM:

" I pray for the families involved. I do hope they catch this man who did this to the soldiers. Justin I am glad you are doing better. "

Marcie wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:52 AM:

" First,my heart goes out to the family and friends of Robert Glenn. They should be celebrating the holidays with him. Hopefully they'll find comfort knowing he went quickly. Second, police officers keep up with fire arm and safety training. Also, to those who aren't aware of it... typing in caps is considered yelling. If you read my comment I state guns are fine for people with no issues. Lets face it not everyone is qualified to have one. Just like you wouldn't give a drunk person car keys. A person who is trigger happy shouldn't get a gun. "

NO WAY wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:43 AM:

" If Justin was the other guy, that was in the car, by his writing and spelling, it proves that the Army is really lowering their recruiting standards. "

justin wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:18 AM:

" A I'm tha other guy that was n tha car tha driver I can't believe yall talkin bout this on here what is yall problem I'm best friend is dead stupid people I almost was dead skip gun laws n all tha other stuff people r always gon have axcess 2 guns that's tha reality of america I ask jus pray 4 mi friends fam that's all "

To Marcie wrote on Nov 12, 2007 6:30 AM:

" I’m THRILLED you “have faith in police officers”, they write GREAT reports. They wrote a DANDY REPORT on the soldier’s murder, didn’t they? But didn’t stop it, or catch the killer at the scene, did they? Don’t believe me. Ask ANY cop: How many felony reports have you written? Then ask: How many felonies have you STOPPED IN THE ACT? Cops respond only after notification of the crime, that’s overwhelmingly AFTER the criminals have left the scene; but the victims are always there. YOU are your first line of protection. Cops carry THEIR guns for this very reason too. "

To Marcie wrote on Nov 11, 2007 12:58 PM:

" I have not yelled or shown anger: YOU are “Projecting”. You bleat: “To me that is being paranoid.” Do you have auto insurance? WHY? Who are you PLANNING to KILL with YOUR CAR? Do you carry a spare tire and a jack? WHY? Can’t you afford decent tires? Do you have smoke detectors? WHY? Are you PLANNING to burn your house down? Probably for the insurance! That’s why you have ‘Homeowner’s’ isn’t it? Do you have fire extinguishers? WHY are you SO CARELESS with fire? A gun is no different to those who aren’t stupid or criminals. "

Marcie wrote on Nov 11, 2007 10:22 AM:

" To the person who addressed me at 1:07 on 11/10. That is one of the things that is beautiful about this country. You are entitled to your opinions and I'm entitled to mine. I have faith in police officers. You don't seem to give them much credit. I just would hate to feel like everyone is out to get me. To me that is being paranoid. And to show anger and yell in a response because someone else had a different opinion, anger issues. Guns are fine in the hands of people without issues. You show isssues though. "

To A Friend wrote on Nov 11, 2007 9:46 AM:

" He was a SPC. until he died. Then was pormoted, which doesn't make sense. Capt. Kevin Blaine, commander of the 69th Signal Company, spoke in remembrance of Spc. Glenn, who was posthumously promoted in rank. "

Tell us Jefferson wrote on Nov 11, 2007 3:42 AM:

" Please give us a GOVERNMENT source, or researchable information that isn’t just the word of “Brady” or “Million Mom”, with no collaborating evidence. Just as I wouldn’t solely trust the NRA information without confirmation of some nature; don’t trust the Brady Center in an outhouse with a muzzle on. It appears that while you have been vehement about asking the pro-gun for sources and many have given us sources; you have relied solely on Brady “data” that was either misleading; “Each year over 500,000 people are denied weapons because they have a FELONY RECORD.” When they just denials, NOT FELONIES. "

A Friend of the deceased wrote on Nov 10, 2007 2:25 PM:

" I first would like to clarify that Glen was not a Specialist he was a Sergeant! He was a good friend of mines and he truely will be missed. He was a true soldier before anyone knew him. "How could something like this happen?" I remember he kept me from taking another persons life (out of anger) and instead he reasoned with me to walk away. He prevented me from making a huge mistake. This was the type of man you're discussing in this article. We use to be in 40th together before I PCS. You willbemissedGlen!!! "

To Marcie wrote on Nov 10, 2007 1:07 PM:

" This was a CRIMINAL, they will NOT be unarmed; Thus the law-abiding should have a tool of protection AGAINST such criminal attacks. “No law ever written has stopped any robber, rapist or killer, like cold blue steel in the hands of their last intended victim.” Guns are protection tools that allow the old and weak to defend against the young and strong. http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_046231317.html http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-tswbrfs_04tex.ART.State.Edition1.448b02c.html http://www.nbc6.net/news/13585506/detail.html?dl=mainclick Cops seldom arrive in time, with THEIR GUNS, to stop a crime or even the suspect; but the VICTIMS are ALWAYS at the crime scene. "

CT wrote on Nov 10, 2007 12:24 PM:

" I understand from the post comments, about the, how the young man will be remembered. What I don't understand is how people are now going back and forth, about weapon laws, have the FH soldiers get passes (I know that it has been at least been over 35 years since they needed a pass). Instead of going after this young man and family, because he was out town, how about kind words to the family! God Bless and the Lord be the family "

To Jefferson wrote on Nov 10, 2007 11:44 AM:

" “One why not post your name?” to make the stupid ask “why” You haven’t answered: “What massacre WAS NOT IN a GUN-FREE ZONE”. “Most people are out of jail in less than 10 years for murder.” And how is that the GUN’S fault? Again, for those to stupid to use fact, reason, and logic: If they are a menace to society, whether because of criminal behavior or mental defect, they should be locked-up PERIOD. And they should STAY locked-up as long as they ARE a menace to society. MEXICO is a picture of a GUN-FREE USA, "

To Jefferson wrote on Nov 10, 2007 11:15 AM:

" “Each year over 500,000 people are denied weapons because they have a felony record.” Wow! AND YET there were ONLY 6,700 CHARGES, NOT convictions, for the crimes! Meaning 493,300 “stops” were IN ERROR or didn’t stop the criminals 98.75% of the time. (Bureau of Justice Statistics, Federal Firearm Offenders and Background Checks for Firearm Transfers, June 4, 2000) Now present some RESEARCHABLE data for YOUR contention. "The defense of one's self, justly called the PRIMARY LAW OF NATURE, is not, nor can it be abrogated by any regulation of municipal law." - James Wilson, Supreme Court Judge. "

Marcie wrote on Nov 10, 2007 8:27 AM:

" It's a shame that someone got killed. What I am seeing though is another example of a person who was upset and had easy access to a gun, thats the sad part. Next week we'll probably read about another shooting. Someone driving was going too slow and got another driver upset. And then you have road rage. Law abiding or not I have never seen anyone who when upset acted rationally. They try to even the score and justify it. It would be nice seeing a longer wait time for purchases and lots of forms to fill out. "

Jefferson wrote on Nov 10, 2007 4:48 AM:

" To To Corley - One why not post your name? It is like hiding behind a gun. Very cowardice by the way. Illegally possessing a weapon might, might get you 6 months in jail and that is it. You say they should be locked up. Most people are out of jail in less than 10 years for murder. Then they can go to a gun show buy an assault rifle then murder dozens of people. AZ puts no limit on the number of guns he can buy either. Basically, you support murders buying more guns to committ more murders. "

Jefferson wrote on Nov 10, 2007 4:44 AM:

" TO to Dave - well you are wrong on so many levels, morally and legally. Society has already determined that if you are a convicted felon then you do not have the right to own guns. You say "Which ones have stopped criminals from committing gun crimes" Each year over 500,000 people are denied weapons because they have a felony record. So there is your proof. In AZ very few are stopped. So you want felons to have weapons? Why? That is complete ignorance. "

Think People wrote on Nov 9, 2007 7:55 PM:

" “What is stopping a criminal from buying a weapon from anyone, then shooting someone?” It’s AGAINST THE LAW. “Nothing.” Yes, there are laws so serious that in some cases; a violation conviction can get you THE DEATH PENALTY. “There are no laws that forbid this.” Yes there ARE LAWS THAT FORBID THIS: It’s against the law to unjustly shoot people, and for felons to possess guns NO MATTER HOW the gun is acquired PERIOD. “What if it was your kid?” MY “kid” would have SHOT BACK. Guns level the field making the law-abiding SAFER. "

To Dave wrote on Nov 9, 2007 6:24 PM:

" There are over 20,000 gun control laws on the books. Which ones have stopped criminals from committing gun crimes? No dave, I think anyone walking the streets should be able to carry a gun, convicted felon or not. If a person is a MENACE TO SOCIETY they should not be walking the streets. “Gun control is about making a safer gun society.” Nope! GC is about CONTROL; stripping the people of their freedoms and civil rights. Before ’68 guns were readily available and society was much safer. The “Wild West” was VERY safe compared to the disarmed this sheep society. "

To Corley wrote on Nov 9, 2007 6:13 PM:

" Do you even READ what you post? Your point was correct: There is no way to pass laws that DON’T ONLY EFFECT THE LAW ABIDING. Just as the law against murder; criminals simply ignore them. There are too many laws as is. Someone willing to violate the law can acquire anything they want, period. Anyone walking the streets as a “Freeman” should be armed if so desired. If they are a menace to society, whether due to mental illness or criminal behavior; they should NOT be walking the streets, they should be LOCKED-UP! MEXICO has STRICT GUN CONTROL! "

To Dave wrote on Nov 9, 2007 2:46 PM:

" Dave, Dave, Dave...You sir, are the confused one. Guns are not what we need to control; criminals are. Guns are not out of control and committing crimes; criminals are. If criminals like Robison were incarcerated after being convicted of felonies, they wouldn't be out committing more crimes like killing our soldiers. Lock up the scumbags and execute the one's that can't be assimilated and you will see such a drop in crime, you won't believe your eyes. "

To Think People wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:28 AM:

" What is stopping a criminal from buying a weapon from anyone, then shooting someone? Nothing. There are no laws that forbid this. What is stopping a convicted felon from going into a gun show, buying an assault rifle and kiling 30 kids at a school? Nothing. AZ laws allow this happen. Want to know why crime rates are high? Because AZ laws allow criminals like Robinson, who was arrested and charged before on weapons and drug violations, to buy a second hand gun, with no background check and murder someone. What if it was your kid? Sttill like no laws? "

Dave wrote on Nov 9, 2007 5:54 AM:

" Gun control does not mean gun ban. I think there are to many hard liners on the pro gun side of the debate you have gotten this confused. More laws that make it harder for criminals to get their hands on guns is a good thing. They by no means restrict law abiding citizens from buying a gun. Are there any pro gun lobbyists that would disagree with making it more difficult for people with prior felonies? I don't think so. Gun control is about making a safer gun society. We need our elected officials to understand this and takeaction. "

Corley wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:18 AM:

" I find it amusing that people would like to compare a ban on guns to Nazi rule. In order for this to be so, we would need a tyrant dictator. So by all the pro-gun people saying that they fear this, then they must also be comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler. I don't like Bush either, but I think he falls well short of Hitler. Even though he runs the government like a dictator it is not even close to communism. But by all of your comments it appears all the right winged people think Bush is like Hitler. "

Corley wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:13 AM:

" It is not about the shooter obeying the law it is about having stronger laws that do not give him the option. You can convict me of a felony weapons charge today in AZ. Tomorrow, I can go to a gun show and buy an AK-47 legally and then go on a rampage. Or I can have a friend go buy a gun at a gun shop who doesn't have a prior felony, then buy the gun from him and go kill people. Do you not see something extremely wrong here? There are no laws in AZ that prevent this. "

Corley wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:09 AM:

" To To the Gun Control Simpletons Have you ever heard of a drive by with a knife? Get rid of guns you idiot. Mike, if AZ had gun show background checks it would have revealed that this thug has prior felony convictions. This would have prevented him from buying another gun. The gun used to murder this Soldier. AZ doesn't even keep records of who buys what gun. This guy could have bought an arsenal of assault weapons, because AZ has absolutely no laws that prohibit it. There are no checks on secondary sales either. "

THINK PEOPLE wrote on Nov 9, 2007 12:22 AM:

" Before 1968, guns were FAR more readily available than they are today. Prior to 1968; an 8-year-old could walk into a hardware store and buy a handgun with no questions asked, and no paperwork. If the child so desired; he could have his gun delivered by the USPS to his front door. But in 1968 they started passing laws against the law-abiding and with this restriction came the rampant crime rates. What could a sane person expect to have happen, when the law-abiding are disarmed and the criminals are not? The soldier was murdered; that is against the law TODAY. "

Dan to Jefferson and Deb wrote on Nov 9, 2007 12:10 AM:

" okay... why are they "facts"? i am just saying, i am not doing anything illegal, all i am saying is, why should i have to get my gun taken away because other people are too busy being irresponsible? why would that fix anything? i do think that maybe it should not be so easy for just anyone to buy a gun just because, but still i don't see how i am wrong for just thinking what you want is messed up, why guns? there is plenty of other weapons and i don't see you trying to ban them "

Mike wrote on Nov 8, 2007 7:52 PM:

" I thought killing someone was illegal. Please explain to me why the shooter would obey an anti gun law. "

Soldier wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:36 PM:

" I am tired of reading about all these killings. Why doesn't the city/state do something about it. There are like no gun laws here at all. This really is the wild west. "

To Deb wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:25 PM:

" Florida has an F+ Brady Bunch rating, and after passing their concealed carry law, Florida's homicide rate FELL from 36% ABOVE the national average to 4% BELOW the national average and remains BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE TO THIS DAY. (Cramer C and Kopel D. Shall issue: the new wave of concealed handgun permit laws. Golden CO: Independence Institute Issue Paper. October 17, 1994) By the way Jimmy Brady was shot in a “Gun-Free Zone”! Get an education so you don’t sound so stupid quoting those liars. MEXICO IS GUN FREE, is that REALLY what you want for Arizona? "

Jose wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:14 PM:

" I agree the gun violence is out of control, just like Nazi Germany after gun Control was enacted there. We need politicians that can recognuze the problem of being a Free Society and take action against it. Our elected leaders fall short of common sense. We need another like that great liberal leader Adolph Hitler to crush Freedom and instill the yoke of oppression on all Americans. "

hmmm wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:07 PM:

" The stupid and criminals would like guns banned. After all, what criminal would like to face an armed intended victim? And when a crime is committed who is the first the stupid gun-banners want called? STRANGERS WITH GUNS! (Cops) Those who feel “safer”, trusting their protection and the protection of their loved ones, “to the kindness of STRANGERS” may do well to look closely at themselves and determine WHY they find themselves so REPUGNANT, IRRESPONSIBLE and UNTRUSTWORTHY. "

To the Gun Control Simpletons wrote on Nov 8, 2007 5:41 PM:

" What action of the murderer was NOT ALREADY ILLEGAL? Is it LEGAL to murder the soldier with some other implement? While the stupid that would disarm the law-abiding while leaving the murderers armed; please answer this: What new gun control law do you “think” this murderer, who as a convicted felon was banned from possessing a gun by STATE and FEDERAL LAW no matter how the gun was obtained, would have obeyed? Want to see what “More Gun Control” will produce? Look at MEXICO! MEXICO IS TOTALLY “GUN-FREE”! What massacre didn’t happen in a “Gun-Free zone”? "

Military Member wrote on Nov 8, 2007 4:31 PM:

" After reading all these comments, I agree with the smarter crowd. Get off if you are trying to debate. As for the Soldier who died from this terrible incident, God rest your soul. Prayers for all those who were affected by this tragedy. "

Gun Control wrote on Nov 8, 2007 3:05 PM:

" Guns are not the problem. On the contrary, lax criminal penalties and laws that disarm the law-abiding are responsible for giving criminals a safer working environment. "The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible." Sen. Hubert Humphrey (D), (1960) "

Paul wrote on Nov 8, 2007 2:31 PM:

" To Notice: Are you crazy or just that naive? Criminals don't obey the law. So by giving the government our rights to own and bear arms is absurd!! If you wanna live under communism or a government controlled society, than the border (Mexico) is only a few miles away, or you can try Cuba. But to say here already power hungry gov. take this right to, becasue I'm scared is just dumb. Wake up people there is more to life than what's in your cave. I promise!! "

JJ wrote on Nov 8, 2007 2:17 PM:

" Our city and state are over proliferated with guns. Want to know why violent crime rates keep going up? Our police are out gunned. Lack of responsible elected officials has led to a free for all with guns. Because they have been proliferated to such a degree, anyone including felons can buy a weapon. The pro-gun people have created an atmosphere that allows for more violent crime to happen. We are going to see more shootings and more murders. You can thank pro-gun advocates like the NRA for the killing of AZ. "

SAM wrote on Nov 8, 2007 2:13 PM:

" I like the way this newspaper adds and subtracts comments as they choose...good job "

jonnyboy wrote on Nov 8, 2007 9:40 AM:

" I like guns. If you take away my gun and you make me mad I will use a chair. Then what will you do, ban chairs? Think of all the movie theaters you'll be putting out of business! Let's face it our society is messed up and that's why we are killing each other. It has nothing to do with guns. Also, as "Cubicle Lord" pointed out earlier how successful would we be in fighting off the coming Zombie invasion if we are only armed with chairs??? "

concerned wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:00 AM:

" odds are this gun wasnt obtained legally. So please don't start with the gun control . "

Notice wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:15 AM:

" State officials take notice. Now is the time to take action and increase gun control. How many innocent people need to be killed before you realize something needs to be done. At what point is it too late to protect the citizens of this state. Take action or resign immediately! "

Jefferson wrote on Nov 8, 2007 12:08 AM:

" Dan we are listening to the facts. You have presented zero facts. Deb is right all you are is blah, blah and no facts. You should shut your mouth and do some of your own research. Gun control has proven to be an effective way in reducing homicides and and crime. NY, Chicago, and DC have all enacted tougher gun laws and the result has been lower crime in each city. Why can you not accept that? You need to get a grip on reality and stop your whining. "

Dan wrote on Nov 7, 2007 11:27 PM:

" holly crap now i am pro killing, this anti gun people just love hearing what they want to hear, and twisting peoples words, i would love for you to find anywhere in my postings anything about me loving people dying.... go ahead if you can i will shut up, but i am pretty sure i am not pro killing, i just don't think you should go around telling people they are wrong and they should be jailed because they have a different opinion, if that was the case half of you would be locked up for life. "

Jose wrote on Nov 7, 2007 4:55 PM:

" I agree the gun violence is out of control. We need politicians that can recognuze the problem and take action. Our elected leaders fall short of common sense. "

M & M wrote on Nov 7, 2007 4:10 PM:

" Dan how funny are you. Just because you don't like the facts presented, you call someone bias. Not the great debater are you. By denying the facts presented you lead everyone here to believe you are just ignorant. Sorry, but you lost this debate. You would have been better off just keeping your mouth shut. "

Deb wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:37 PM:

" Dan go ahead and prove any of the facts that you say are bias as wrong. Go ahead do it. To sit back and claim a website is bias, then not back it up shows you are not serious about this issue, so please stop with your blah, blah, blah. The facts at bradycampaign.org are facts. Figure it out smart guy. Look up what the AZ laws are from some other web site. They are the same no matter where you go. Are you really that ignorant to claim bias because you don't like the facts? "

Deb wrote on Nov 7, 2007 6:06 AM:

" Yes a time for change is here. The 2nd Amendment is no longer valid in our society. The only thing it does it put more guns and violane crimes on the street. Look at all the blogs... All the pro gun people only want to shoot and kill people. Sickos. Dan is out of control and ATF should find him and put him in jail. "

Dan to Connie S. wrote on Nov 7, 2007 4:21 AM:

" I think you are the immature one, because someone can just come up with some silly websites with some BIASED information, and some alleged "facts" then you get up on your high horse and start telling everyone you are right and everyone else is wrong and "immature". If you believe everything you find on the internet then there must be something wrong with you, do you realize I could just as easily find an article that supports guns and post it on here and just like you try to make a point? you must be 12... "

Weapons wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:25 AM:

" If the weapon of choice to kill is the gun, why not at least start by eliminating the tool of death. Will we ever get 100% of them? NO. Will it make it more difficult for criminals to get them? YES. AZ is doing a horrible job on gun control. Maybe a 100% ban is not the answer but look below at the stategunlaws.org page. There is a lot of improvement that can be done to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. We as a society have failed by allowing this to happen, and so have the representatives. "

Connie S. wrote on Nov 6, 2007 8:25 PM:

" Dan you really need to wake up and realize that if there was gun control, then this Soldier would still be alive. AZ has basically no control measures. http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/factsheets/pdf/home.pdf The effects of having a gun are more harmful than not. http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=AZ This is how AZ stacks up. You can see there is vast room for improvement. Dan your bickering is immature. Grow up. People who behave like you should not own a gun. Obviously you are an irresponsible person. "

Cubicle Lord wrote on Nov 6, 2007 4:21 PM:

" Please stop with the talk of banning guns. Guns r not to blaim, its teh stoopid ppl who think taht carrying a gun makes up for there lack of "manhood". Besides, if guns were banned how would we fight off a zombie invasion which is inevitable. "

Sick of it wrote on Nov 6, 2007 4:16 PM:

" You people might as well meet outside after school. You sound like a bunch of children. A tragedy happened over something silly and you are going to use it as an excuse to pick fights with each other. Grow up and quit embarrassing yourselves trying to prove who is smarter than the other. It has gone beyond trying to make any good points on the subject. "

I wish wrote on Nov 6, 2007 4:08 PM:

" Lol....That was funny and you are correct. I did make a couple of mistakes. I should have looked it over before I submitted my post. However, your reading comprehension is still at question. And "Nut Job" if there was a 100% ban on guns, guns are still available. Guns are not hard to get! Have you ever lived in a place like East St. Louis, New Orleans, or the likes. You have 10 year old kids that can purchase guns off the street. "

hmmm wrote on Nov 6, 2007 4:30 AM:

" Another murder by a gun. When will society learn that nothing good comes from guns. Only death. "

Dan wrote on Nov 6, 2007 4:30 AM:

" well it seems i scored higher than you on the asvab because i actually know how to use verbs in their correct form, for example: "and the won't banned it." did you mean by any chance, and they won't ban them? here's another exaple: "for them to banned them now" did you mean? for them to ban them now* by any chance? and you wonder why i didn't understand you. are you a caveman by any chance? me think you sound likes you from stone age, did i dumb that down enough for you? "

solidox wrote on Nov 5, 2007 11:23 PM:

" i've manifested from mist and thunder to inform you all that this man would likely have been stabbed to death if guns were banned or otherwise unavailable. it has nothing to do with the weapon; only its user. the person who killed him would have done it regardless. banning one kind of weapon in a sea of killing tools is folly and futile. don't ban the weapon. ban the trash who wields it. i've said it before, i'll say it again: get them when they're young. don't wait for them to be eligible for trial as adults. "

Nut job wrote on Nov 5, 2007 9:54 PM:

" To I wish. If you ban guns 100% then things like this won't happen. You pro-gun people are simply pro-killing. Your voice of illreason led to this Soldiers death. How proud all the gun toting morons must feel. Continue to be pro-gun and only more people will be needlessly killed like this Soldier. Your no control policy has failed and will always be a failure. Pro-gun advocates are simply out of control and are a hazard to society. "

I Miss you Robert wrote on Nov 5, 2007 7:34 PM:

" ROBERT I MISS YOU SO MUCH! I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND HOW A PERSON CAN GET SO ANGRY FROM WORDS AND LATER HE TAKE YOUR LIFE.ROBERT I MISS YOU AND I LOVE YOU WITH ALL MY HEART.TAKE CARE BABY AND REST IN PEACE BOO. "

I wish wrote on Nov 5, 2007 7:19 PM:

" I know that it is sick, but these ban the guns idiots, should have, something happpen to them, that could have been prevented if they had a loaded gun handy. They would be singing a different tune. "

Unbelievable wrote on Nov 5, 2007 6:24 PM:

" I can't believe the comments that I've been reading. Don't you understand that someone has died? Not just anyone, a soldier, someone’s child, brother, boyfriend etc. If this was your child and you were reading these comments...how would you feel??... Please have respect for the deceased, and don't bring up topics such as these. I pray for the soldiers and their family. And I would also like to say Thank You to all the soldiers that put their life on the line so that we could have our "FREEDOM" "

Owners beware wrote on Nov 5, 2007 5:10 PM:

" You can thank your 2nd Amendment rights for this action. The 2nd Amendment is killing our nation one person at a time needlessly. Thanks to the NRA the shooter was afforded the opportunity to do this. "

I wish wrote on Nov 5, 2007 3:40 PM:

" "Dan" I don't think you understood what I was saying. I did not say banned guns. I was saying that there was no way that they could even if they wanted to. So before you go calling names "GENIUS" read it again and use the brain you have (or maybe you don't) and understand what someone is saying before you go calling them a "knucklehead". Looks like your not the brightess crayon in the box!!! What in the world did you score on your ASVAB???? "

SENSELESS wrote on Nov 5, 2007 5:53 AM:

" It's bad enough that our soldiers might have to serve abroad and be killed. For them to be killed for nothing on American soil is tragic. My prayers and condolences to the family. I hope the person responsible is caught soon and spends the rest of his miserable life in prison! "

Dan wrote on Nov 5, 2007 5:22 AM:

" I have grown up in a military family and am now in the service myself, i never needed a pass when i wanted to go to tucson, this is ridiculos, like i said, too many people trying to fix every problem with some kind of weird rule that makes no sence. If you crave to live under lots of rules and have no freedom, then move to another country, what are you guys communist? ban going places, ban guns? ban this ban that.... doesn't sound like the "FREE" country i fight so hard to defend......... "

Dan wrote on Nov 5, 2007 4:33 AM:

" hey, knucklehead, yeah the one by the "I wish" name, do you really think if they had a ban on guns this guy wouldn't have had one on him anyways? why are people so hopefull for things being banned or regulated? i just don't get it, same way somone gets killed with a gun someone can get killed with anything else, like i said, ban cars too right? would you go for that too if the suspect had ran them over while they were on the way to their car? no, you hipocrite. "

FERGERSON wrote on Nov 5, 2007 4:06 AM:

" THIS IS TERRIBLE, OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH THE FAMILY. "

Yep wrote on Nov 5, 2007 1:27 AM:

" I agree with "I wish". Perhaps a hefty tax on ammunition, say $5.00 per round would help. The tax collected can go towards education, help to fund additional police, and things of that nature to act as a deterrent to further crime. "

Sierra Vista? wrote on Nov 4, 2007 11:03 PM:

" It's a shame that this happened. The reality is that there are bad people in the world. The suspect in this case is the bad person. Gun control laws could not have prevented this. The majority of guns used in crimes are procured illegally. Gun control only hurts those who intend to use firearms for lawful purposes and helps those who intend to acquire guns for crime. Gun control arms criminals and leaves law abiding citizens unprotected. Pray for the family of the victim and hope that justice finds the suspect. Forbidding soldiers from travelling to Tucson is the silly. "

stop already wrote on Nov 4, 2007 10:02 PM:

" Please stop trying to use what happened as a means to start a nonsensical debate. This is ridiculous. Do you people not understand that a young man is dead?!? Let it go... "

I wish wrote on Nov 4, 2007 9:58 PM:

" It's to late! It's just how the government works. Think about it. Tobacco is a major killer throughout the world, and the won't banned it. They make to much money from it. As for guns, there are too many guns out there for them to banned them now. That, and I'm pretty sure they make a great deal of money from it as well. EVERYTHING revolves around money! It's sad, but we all know it is true. "

sympathy wrote on Nov 4, 2007 9:35 PM:

" I happen to be friends with these "soldiers". Please take the time to humanize them and respect what has happened without just bashing each other back and forth. Rob Glenn was a good friend, husband, father. He had survived much larger dangers in his life than the Tucson nightlife. This was just a very stupid, very senseless act and no one deserved what happened to them. Please just express your sympathies for the family and friends left behind and pray that the "man" responsible is apprehended before he can hurt anyone else. "

Angry soldier dead! wrote on Nov 4, 2007 8:22 PM:

" Why is it that soldiers being killed by American citizens here in the states? I feel for his family. Find the person that killed him and use the death penalty. "

You are off the wall wrote on Nov 4, 2007 8:14 PM:

" To Thanks a lot NRA: I those soldiers were armed, the criminal might be the dead one. "

Thanks a lot NRA wrote on Nov 4, 2007 8:03 PM:

" Another great story for the walls of the NRA. Where is the safety in allowing everyone to have guns? Where is the logic. If we had a 100% ban across the US things like this wouldn't happen. "

sorry reader wrote on Nov 4, 2007 7:47 PM:

" I'm not really sure if concerned is a soldier or a past soldier, but this soldier was a permanent party soldier. This means that he was not a student, and lives his life just like you and I, he is not required to have a pass to travel to Tucson or anywhere else on his time off. So try and not blame the Army or the soldier's command for this unfortunent event. As for banning someone from going to from the places they want to, are you crazy that is like putting a curfew on you. "

to Concerned wrote on Nov 4, 2007 7:42 PM:

" Ban soldiers from going to Tucson? That's just nonsense. He was a 25yr old specialist - an adult, it wasn't like he was an entry-level private, for all we know he could have had an Iraq tour or two under his belt and you want to infringe on the same liberties you and I take for granted that he enlisted to safeguard? Unfortunately these acts of violence do occur to both civilians and soldiers alike and my prayers go out to the soldiers families. "

Are you kidding? wrote on Nov 4, 2007 7:38 PM:

" Pass to Tucson? Have you ever served? We are talking about US citizens, over the age of 18 that are defending our country and don't need permission to go to the "big city". "

todd wrote on Nov 4, 2007 6:52 PM:

" first of all tuscon cant be banned because we have soldiers that live there and commute. not only that there isnt anything for us to do but go there. im sorry if there is nothing but garbage people around there that cant stay out of trouble. we dont need a pass to go there and it depends on company s.o.p to have to get one for phoenix. im 27 a adult not a kid and im not being supervised as though i am a kid because people in Tuscon cant act right take care "

PLEASE wrote on Nov 4, 2007 6:42 PM:

" Ban Soldiers from going to Tucson! Thats just stupid. Its sad that soldiers serve this country and this is what they get. I send my prayers to the family and friends of the soldier. But Banning them from tucson is just dumb. What if this happen to them in SV. Would you Ban them from SV? "

uhh, excuse me... wrote on Nov 4, 2007 5:36 PM:

" These are permanent party soldiers. They should not be BANNED from going anywhere in the US, puhlease. How about we tell them when to go to the bathroom too? Once this suspect is caught, he should be charged to the fullest extent. Gangster wannabe. "

Molon Labe wrote on Nov 4, 2007 4:51 PM:

" Concerned wrote on Nov 4, 2007 10:45 AM: " I feel that the soldiers from FH should be banned from going to Tucson and other areas, did any of these guy's have a pass to go to Tucson? " Really? That's a pretty stupid thing to say. They are soldiers, not parolees. They have a right to go where ever they choose. "

CB wrote on Nov 4, 2007 3:49 PM:

" They should be banned from traveling? Wow, that is ridiculous. They are fighting for YOUR freedom, yet you think they shouldn't be allowed to live their lives outside of SV or the post? Like trapping them forcefully in the immediate area wouldn't cause more problems. Besides, you don't need a pass to travel an hour away. The military isn't exactly the same as a socialist dictatorship. Think before typing. "

La Juanda wrote on Nov 4, 2007 2:17 PM:

" Every time I hear or read about the death of a young person, it just makes my heart wrench in sadness. I feel compelled to try to say soemthing to the famiies to ease their suffering becauseI also lost a child who was too young to die through a terrible tragedy such as this. But, in each case all I am able to say because there are no words to ease the pain at this time is "I'm so sorry." "

Angels watching! wrote on Nov 4, 2007 1:23 PM:

" I do believe the army needs to make Tucson a place that is dangerous for our military. I feel for the families of our soldiers may the young man rest in peace and I hope the other soldier in the hospital lives. please find the suspect also and charge him with 1st degree murder and bring death penalty back to AZ! "

Not Concerned wrote on Nov 4, 2007 1:11 PM:

" To concerned: Right, lets just restrict them to the Fort. Bring in some bands, booze, and loose women, and they might not mind. "

Concerned wrote on Nov 4, 2007 10:45 AM:

" I feel that the soldiers from FH should be banned from going to Tucson and other areas, did any of these guy's have a pass to go to Tucson? I hear of things that happen all the time when soldiers go to Tucson or elsewhere, and half of it does not even hit the paper. I will pray for the other two guys and their families, May this young man rest in peace, let the good lord above guide the families of all of these soldiers. "

With Sympathy wrote on Nov 4, 2007 10:31 AM:

" My heart goes out to the families of these victimes. Let's not use this as a forum to debate this soldier's death. Let us think of the families, because ultimately this was someone's husband, son, father, brother, cousin. Rest in peace and god bless. "