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Protesters in Naco decry border fence

By Cindy Skalsky
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Monday, Dec 17, 2007 - 06:17:45 am MST

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NACO, Ariz. — Approximately 40 bundled-up protesters and a few of their pets gathered several hundred yards east of the Naco port of entry between the United States and Mexico on Sunday to speak out against the border fence that continues its way west through Cochise County.

“I was down here about a month ago,” said Greta Anderson, formerly of Bisbee. “And I almost cried when I saw that it was only about a quarter-mile from the river.”

Anderson is a volunteer with the Sierra Club in Tucson and an environmental activist.

On the chilly and blustery afternoon, Citizens for Border Solutions used a “window” in the fence to run their electical cords into Naco, Sonora, to power the sound system from a house just on the other side.

Cecile Lumer of the Citizens for Border Solutions speaks Sunday in Naco, Ariz., at a demonstration against the border fence. (Beatrice Richardson•Herald/Review)

“We’re expecting some of our Mexican friends to join us later on that side so it will be a true binational protest,” said Cecile Lumer of the group.

Lumer said that the fence is now part way across the San Pedro River and that from Douglas to its current state of construction, the county has 45 miles of continuous fence.

Later, county supervisor Paul Newman would say that the fence not only keeps Mexicans out, “it keeps us locked in.”

Signs placed up against the wall and held by various protestors carried messages such as, “The wall terrorizes Nature,” “Looking for work is not a crime. Don’t scapegoat immigrants,” and “Wall $20,000,000, Ladder $20.”

A tall ladder had been leaned against the wall to emphasize the point.

In the afternoon’s opening remarks, Lumer said, “We who live here are not happy with this wall. It divides families, friends and our communities.”

She decried its interference with wildlife migration pathways and said it was contributing to the militarization of the borderlands.

The prospect of increased military equipment and members of the armed forces in the area would no doubt be considered good news by the many organizations and individuals who support stricter border enforcement and more streamlined, faster procedures to return captured illegals to their home country.

But there was no counter-demonstration on Sunday, and the Citizens for Border Solutions had the cold air and the media cameras all to themselves.

Seth Foley, the vicar of St. John’s Episcopal Church in Bisbee, called the fence an “impediment to fellowship and community” and said that policy makers were attempting to dictate people’s relationships and connections.

To whistles and applause, Foley told his listeners, “This wall will not divide us. We will not go away.”

Newman expressed concern that with no comprehensive immigration reform passed by Congress, “the states are acting,” and he feared that local law enforcement agencies all along the border would be encouraged to become the eyes and ears of the Border Patrol.

He saved his sharpest criticism for the fence itself, calling it “the most dysutopian structure I’ve ever seen in my life.” He said that political leaders in Arizona didn’t protect the river, and he expressed horror that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff was able to “just go through the river. It was almost maniacal. Really disgusting.”

Newman added that he fears the wall will be with us for a long time but hopes to see the day when harmony and labor agreements are established that would permit it to come down.

Protesters came from as far away as the Tohono O’odham nation and Tucson.

Ingeborg and Richard Calabro of Green Valley said they are recently returned from the Mexican state of Chiapas, where they visited with villagers who are desperately poor and in need of help. The Calabros are active with the No More Deaths humanitarian organization, and Richard is a member of the Samaritans, who search the desert for people in need of help.

“I was born in Bisbee,” said elderly Ralph Sproule. “I’m half Mexican and half Irish, and nobody’s going to tell me I can’t speak Spanish anywhere and anytime I want to. Heck, if I could speak Chinese, I’d speak that too. It’s guaranteed right here,” he added, indicating his well-marked-up copy of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights.

Lumer spoke of the Migrant Resource Center, a project of the Citizens for Border Solutions in Bisbee and the Iglesia del Camino in Naco, Sonora. The center is being created to provide services to illegal immigrants who have been deported to Mexico by authorities.

“When they send people back, it’ll be on the left,” she said.

In her formal remarks, Lumer expressed sadness at the loss of the traditional cross-border fiestas that for years had taken place about a mile west of the port of entry.

“We would share food and music, and play volleyball across the international boundary,” she recalled. “It was wonderful. The last one was in April. Now the wall is up and we can’t do it.”

Herald/Review reporter Cindy Skalsky can be reached at 515-4611 or by e-mail at cindy.skalsky@svherald.com.

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immigrant wrote on Jan 15, 2008 11:59 AM:

" i came here legaly and i am going back to my country MEXICO because im tired of this country i dont know who is going to do my job, an american? i dont think so (they are lazy people) but my point is NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO NOW OR IN THE FUTURE IMMIGRANTS WILL COME HERE LEGALY OR ILLEGALY BECAUSE YOU ALL NEED THEM,we do jobs that you do not want to do (lazy) and USA NEED US. DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO DO WE DONT CARE BE RACIST WE ONLY CARE OUR JOBS AND HELPING OUR FAMILIESINMEXICO "

Build It! wrote on Dec 31, 2007 4:00 PM:

" Can't build it fast enough, and I can't wait until it's done, hahaha. May not stop'em but its a darn good hurdle. Where can I sign up to help, I know I can't stand all the trash left behind, and now maybe it will decrease a little, especially since the worker law is going into effect. Lets get the ball rolling and start building, the faster the better! Since the illigals are to lazy to pick up after themselves, I will be happy to pick up less trash! "

to SVLib wrote on Dec 31, 2007 10:43 AM:

" SVLib...how old are you? 12? 13? Going through pueberty it seems. Grow up! "

To Felicia wrote on Dec 31, 2007 8:53 AM:

" Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but English was established as the official language of the state of Arizona in 2006 (Ammendment to the Arizona Constitution, Article XXVIII, ENGLISH AS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE). By the way, there are TWENTY NINE other states who have made English as their official state language via constitutional ammendment or legislative statute. I wish that English would soon be required here to obtain a drivers license, as is the case in six other states. "

SVLib wrote on Dec 31, 2007 6:20 AM:

" To Juan and all Banjo Tuners; Stay with the issue. The Wall is not high enough, if there is one. Migrants will keep coming in. YOU LOSE! "

Murphy wrote on Dec 30, 2007 9:16 PM:

" The wall is a dumb, dumb idea. Those who believe it will do any good are not very smart. 99 percent of comments below are sheer ignorance. "

Another Voice wrote on Dec 30, 2007 9:02 PM:

" Boht sides have valid points. As native I hate to se what our state/country has come to. School forms come in both Engish & Spanish, does tht happen in other countries? Why should my children have to have time taken away from them in order to acomadate a child that doesn't speak English? Some of the illegals come here for work, some for a free ride. When do Americans get the same chance? "

Juan wrote on Dec 30, 2007 7:09 PM:

" All the tree lovers, animal abuse protestors, and human right activists, go down to mexico and do your whining, and see how far that will get you, oh wait, they won't do that, it might be to dangerous, and outside their comfort zones, please go cry me a river in another country, take your anti-gun people with you, go where they really need your help, not here where it's all good from the comfort of your home, go to where you can do the most good, mexico. "

Interesting...hmmm wrote on Dec 30, 2007 6:22 PM:

" It is interesting that the liberals are siding with the big Corporations on this issue of illegal aliens. They are ignoring their strogest supporters the labor unions. The illegal immigration issue must be pushed to the forefront of political issues after the primaries. It will be interesting to watch the liberals argue among themselves on this issue. "

To expat wrote on Dec 30, 2007 8:07 AM:

" Obviously not a lot of forethought. Stop drinking and posting and get serious - there are already entry points in place and there are many law-abiding Mexicans that travel into our country through these entry points. Haven't you been to Wal-Mart recently? "

Felicia wrote on Dec 30, 2007 7:15 AM:

" to Frank:
Why should they learn English? It isn't our official language. Oh yeah, we don't HAVE an official language! "

Right on wrote on Dec 30, 2007 7:14 AM:

" Yes is absolutely right. We need to build a wall. It worked to seperate the two different Germany's and it can work to keep all the Latin American rift raft out of the US. Funny how all these people are arguing against the wall, when there is absolutely NOTHING they can do, but whine. Hey guys you lost the battle. Cry somewhere else. "

SVLib wrote on Dec 29, 2007 4:21 PM:

" Build a wall, doesn't matter the migrants will keep on coming in. There's will be no wall high enough. So no need to waste your hot air with terrible comments to Hillary (our next president). Just get back in your porches and tune your banjos! "

to Racist SV Residents wrote on Dec 29, 2007 11:03 AM:

" What kind of future are you wanting for you and your family? a country ruled over by the drug cartels? or a third wold country like your prescious mexico? No one here is lazy, stupid, and we are ready for the future. We are prepairing for the war that has already started with this invasion. I know I am. "

to expat wrote on Dec 29, 2007 10:27 AM:

" Mexico is a lot more strict about their southern border than we are. Are they racist, or are you the stupid one? "

To expat wrote on Dec 29, 2007 9:08 AM:

" Don't compare a wall that divides to separate countries to a wall that divided one country into two separate states. Unless you are advocating that the US annex Mexico as a state. We have entry points already established at Yuma, Ajo, Naco, Naco and Douglas. We also have legal ways of becoming foreign workers and immigrants. Some people choose to ingnore those lawful ways. "

Yes wrote on Dec 29, 2007 8:31 AM:

" The wall worked well in Germany and will work well along the US/mexico border. Wall's have been proven to be effective all throughout history. Almost ever civilization erected walls for one reason or another. They were used to protect cities, palaces, and nations. This wall will serve the same purpose. "

expat wrote on Dec 28, 2007 11:09 PM:

" To quote Reagan: Tear down this wall!

Racist SV residents beware: you are lazy, stupid, and not ready for the future.

If you build a wall, make the entry points welcome, like Ellis Islands. Otherwise expect the worst. "

Frank wrote on Dec 28, 2007 8:41 PM:

" Instead of standing around whining, why don't the protesters go pick up the trash that is littered over the properties of the land owners along the border and the public lands where the alien trespassers disgorge all manner of garbage. Go protest in Mexico about corruption and drug lords who pose a malignant threat to our their and our society. Speak any language you want, but if you want to naturalize to citizenship - speak english! "

To Says wrote on Dec 28, 2007 6:03 PM:

" You sound ignorant, aren't you reading the article before commenting? Go back to school and take reading and comprehension classes then make comments on what the issues are. Hillary? Please where does that come from on a boarder fence issue. Some people make me shake my head at their ignorance and statements, "Says" sounds like a first grader. "

wt wrote on Dec 28, 2007 3:54 PM:

" Why don't all of you stop typing, get up, get out of the house and DO SOMETHING??? Everyone has such a strong oppinion, but noone cares enough to put their money and actions where their keyboard is. Just a bunch of hot air. I guess it is a good thing there was no Internet during the American Revolution otherwise the founding fathers may have blogged themselves to death. "

To says: wrote on Dec 28, 2007 3:24 PM:

" You are a certified nut case, wishing Ms. Clinton killed. "

Reason for a wall: to keep people out! wrote on Dec 28, 2007 10:22 AM:

" Mark, we need a wall because the vast majority of the illegals don't come here to work. Checking legal status via employers won't keep out the drug runners and other criminals and those who come to live off the benevolence of US citizens. You, like too many USA citizens, erroneously believe we're being invaded only by poor, destitute people who 'just want to work menial jobs for little pay.' A few do, but there's only about 200,000 legitimate jobs of that sort. There are millions of illegals. What do you think they are doing here? "

says wrote on Dec 28, 2007 10:17 AM:

" hiliary should go crawl in a hole for letting bill do that to her on national tv. I hope somebody takes hiliary out just like they did the iraq prime minister. "

yup wrote on Dec 28, 2007 10:11 AM:

" The illegals are breaking our laws when the come over illegaly so what makes anyone think they are honest law abiding people? The fence should be alot higher and I agree with the kill zone comment. They would follow our laws then. Keep them out and give the us citizens our jobs back. "

Maria wrote on Dec 28, 2007 10:10 AM:

" Build the fence and get it over with already, people are going to cry and moan about it no matter what, I prefer the safety of my family, before the ease of comfort to cross the boarder. I have seen way to many coyotes and drug runners in our county than I ever want to see, maybe it will take care of the trash issue at the same time, we need to quit being PC for everybody else and take care of our own people first. "

Frank wrote on Dec 28, 2007 7:34 AM:

" Looking for a job is not illegal. Coming across our borders without proper documents and without knowledge of our government and Law Enforcement is ILLEGAL!
If they do the Legal and Respectable thing. We would not need to build a fence.
They are Illegal Aliens if they continue to disrespect our government and We THE CITIZENS of the UNITED STATEs!!!
There is no such thing as an Illegal Immigrant! A immigrant is here Legally. A Alien is here Illegally and such is undocument and not a immigrant! LEGALITY! Period! "

Bisbee Resi wrote on Dec 28, 2007 6:55 AM:

" SVLIB you have a point what has Bush done for the border? Or anyone? Illegal immigration has rose during Bushes Kingdom. Looking on the amount of people that have resigned in his administration is proof of his failure. The Neo-Cons on this blog can’t get it through their thick skull that is their entire fault they voted him in. NOT the MIGRANTS "

SVLib wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:56 PM:

" To Worrier: Invade Mexico? You want to sacrifice our sons and daughters again? Thank goodness we have the majority and Bushy is leaving. Make way for Hillary! "

Gregorio wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:13 AM:

" To Susan Peters... Cry me a river and I will build a fence over it! Oops that is already being done... rejoice!!! "

Mark wrote on Dec 27, 2007 9:19 AM:

" Why build a wall, when all we really need to do is start checking SSNs and really penalizing employers who hire illegals? The supply of undocumented workers is in response to a demand, stop the demand and you'll stop this massive influx. It makes a whole lot more sense than building a fence, which at best redirects traffic. "

Worrier wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:46 AM:

" It appears that the current hostility from the public over massive illegal immigration--combined with some state legislation to sanction illegal employers--is serving to flush illegal aliens out of the state. Good! Now if those returning home to Mexico will just overthrow their corrupt, backward government we will have advanced and improved our circumstances. I look forward to a strong, vibrant Mexico as a partner not a supplecant neighbor. If Mexicans can't take care of their own, we should invade and annex them into our country as, say, Baja America. Yeah! I like that idea. "

Warm Hearted American wrote on Dec 24, 2007 6:05 PM:

" If you think about how far you have to travel to get to the nearest trauma center, maybe you'll think twice about open borders. If UDA gets hurt while "Touring" our nation, who do you think pays the bill? Last time I checked, "UDA" was not an occupation with health insurance. Well, at the american tax payers expense maybe! Forget the wall, build a moat with snakes and Gators Man!!! "

mistermisfit wrote on Dec 24, 2007 4:42 PM:

" I sit on the federal grand jury, believe me when I say that the border cameras and sensors work. "

Cheyenne wrote on Dec 24, 2007 10:02 AM:

" Hey Suzy!!! If you cry for the inhumanity of this countries reaction to invasion maybe you should move to another country. mexico than you can cry over the inhumanity of the government and ruling class to the people. "

AZ NATIVE wrote on Dec 23, 2007 11:05 PM:

" WHERE'S MY FENCE? Last year the American people spoke clearly, build the fence. It's called the Secure Fence Act of 2006. Read it. THE FENCE WAS NOT DESIGNED TO TOTALLY STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION FROM MEXICO, DUH. We must stop the corporate thieves who are selling our sovereignty for profits, and giving illegal border crossers incentive to come here. Once these corporate raiders are stopped, the fence will serve it's main purpose to DETER illegal border crossers and form a barrier with an 150 foot kill zone for Border Patrol to pick off DRUG RUNNERS, CRIMINALS, AND TERRORISTS. Wake up. "

To sierra vista wrote on Dec 23, 2007 9:42 PM:

" You made a mistake, susan peters does not have her head in the sand, it is someplace else. "

Send them packing wrote on Dec 23, 2007 8:13 PM:

" The Arizona employer sanctions law, already seems to be working even though it hasn't gone into effect. If more states pass such laws then the corporations will be forced to recruit legally and not circumvent the laws because they are not punished. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/5399110.html. The wall and new state laws punishing businesses for hiring illegal immigrants will help deter the flood of illegals into this country. "

Kerry wrote on Dec 23, 2007 12:47 PM:

" Since the NeoCons can't blame Bill Clinton, they seek others to blame. A wall will never keep those out who really want to come. It can not work nor will it. So, Repugs, rejoice! You now have the newest scapegoat to blame for your failures. "

sierravista wrote on Dec 23, 2007 12:06 PM:

" susan peters, this is NOT a sad wall, nor sad country, this is THE MOST GENEROUS HELPING nation on the face of the earth, doctors without borders,peace corps, etc etc not to mention the billions of dollars of aid sent every year, the billions of dollars contributed to worth causes, feed the children etc., please get your head out of the sand and see what is and not what you immagine, American are a generous and loving peole who want the right to live by rule of law, and if yo want to come here you need to do so. "

Mark wrote on Dec 23, 2007 12:06 AM:

" One minute "conservatives" are upset that the law is being broken, the very next thier telling "liberals" to break the law. I also believe it's important to direct your attention to the fact that illegals don't come here to drink tea with liberals, they come here to work. Corperate America wants them here, corperate America posts advertisements in Mexican newspapers promising jobs. Government could easily check up on suspecious social security numbers... but it refuses because that would hurt corperate America, were all still being played while big corperations do whatever it takes to maximize thier profits. "

SVLib wrote on Dec 22, 2007 11:20 PM:

" There's no wall high enough! The migrants will keep coming in and my arms are extended. Happy Holidays. "

susan peters wrote on Dec 22, 2007 9:23 PM:

" http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22370480/ Not to worry, 'they will all go home' soon enough due to lack of love, agape love, soon enough. Sad wall, sad country. And then where will we be? Back to when the Native Americans occupied this land? Back to when Mexico occupied so much of these lands? Back to the trail of tears? Back to welfare with blankets infected with small pox? I cry for the inhumanity of this country. "

Hey Mark C wrote on Dec 22, 2007 7:06 PM:

" Just invite all the men name Jesus into your home. Good luck. "

Wall Supporter wrote on Dec 22, 2007 6:59 PM:

" If the Mexicans would stop coming here illegaly, then the wall wouldn't have to be built! God forbid they have to follow any laws. I support the wall!!!! "

JBP wrote on Dec 22, 2007 1:26 PM:

" The liberals can succeed in their desires to help their fellow man, simply by sending their money to Mexico. We don't need the illegal Mexicans here to feed and house them, or to pick up their trash. And by the way, the last time I checked, we, as a country, send plenty foreign aid there already. Legal immigration exists, too. "

Voter wrote on Dec 22, 2007 10:50 AM:

" OK, to the 40 or so who thinks open borders are a good idea, put your money where your mouth is. I'm sure you all have extra beds in your homes. Invite the intruders to live with you. Wow, what an idea. Then they can work for you as well. You will love it when their "cousins" move in as well. I would think about 20 to a room would be just about right "

Mark C wrote on Dec 22, 2007 10:13 AM:

" How about for just one moment we drop the hate and fear and replace it with love toward our fellow man. There is a fellow who's birthday was around this time of year, one of the most important things he said was "Whatever you do unto the least of these, you do unto me." Many of you claim to follow this man and yet your focus is worldly wealth and false security. Those illegals strugling for a better life are our brothers and sisters, and Christmas is a time to celebrate with family. "

Ed Tilton wrote on Dec 21, 2007 7:19 PM:

" Since I was challenged, cut out the Pork barrel Gadgets, stop sending Border Patrol to Iraq and hire more of them. Use the Military to secure Americas Borders instyead of invading other countries. Don't give me that Posse Commitatus Crap either, it didn't keep Federal troops out of Little Rock or Birmingham. At last count NONE of the expensive cameras worked. The Government has a duty to protect our Borders and stop the Drug smuggling. Something they have ignored. "

Gunny C wrote on Dec 21, 2007 9:31 AM:

" Its about time we stand united on an issue; my people tried to live a life of isolation, so we now have reservations to live on dependent on the government to take care of us. My ancestors tried to fight the great white invasion, we failed because of tribal differances. We do know that we need to curb illegal immigration (crime and drain on our resources are evident) so we try to keep people out its a fine line but a crime is a crime or soceity will go into chaos.. "

Can Christians be so dumb? wrote on Dec 20, 2007 9:24 PM:

" All you people who are saying that Mary and Joseph immigrated are really wrong. Joseph was ordered by the government to return to his place of birth for a census count. They were NOT immigrants and they certainly were NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. "

To SV Lib wrote on Dec 20, 2007 8:41 PM:

" Yeah you are a true liberal idiot. You can't even say Merry Christmas because you probably don't even believe in God. "

SV Liberal wrote on Dec 20, 2007 7:33 PM:

" SV Lib is an idiot. They are illegals. For Christmas, I hate to do this, but I wish that some liberal like SV Lib, gets to feel the good that the illegals do. Drugs, breaking and entering, stealing, rape, assulting an old lady, driving without insurance, tagging, gangs, and on and on. "

SVLib wrote on Dec 20, 2007 7:02 PM:

" You'll have to excuse me. My liberal upbringing has rendered me mental. I want the illegal traffic so I can have have them clean my house and landscape my yard. How dare you try to take away my cheap labor. I'm a crotchety old woman who can't attract a husband of my own to do the chores around the house. "

SV Lib wrote on Dec 20, 2007 2:47 PM:

" Cry...cry...cry...Lets be real banjo tuners. What has Bushy done for our borders? You'll have to learn to live with the Mexican Migrants that is all to it. Happy Holidays! "

SCAR wrote on Dec 20, 2007 1:37 PM:

" All we need to do is set up towers every couple hundred yards with snipers. We dont even have to kill them we can use tranquelizers. And this Whole Corbett issue is just gong to make every BP agent scarred to do there job. My grandma lives in Naco and last year they came across and robbed all of our X-mas presents from under our tree on X-mas eve. WE NEED SNIPERS!!!!!! "

Orin Witt wrote on Dec 20, 2007 10:10 AM:

" I live about a mile from the border, in the area where the fence is being built. My perspective is: Now, maybe our fences will not be wrecked. Now, maybe the trash abandoned by illegal foot traffic will stop. Now, maybe my wife can safely ride her horse or I can mountain bike on the riparian area trails. Now, maybe less of our taxes will be spent on non-citizens. I hope folks from other countries will some day finance their own lifestyle, not continue to cheat the hard working, honest U.S. taxpayers. "

Good grief. wrote on Dec 20, 2007 7:02 AM:

" I don't know why these 'environmentalists' keep yapping. They know good and well this fence will not in any way harm any species. Only illegal *people* tramping across the border in hordes will do that, not a stationary, inert object. This is the same thing they did with the Mt Graham red squirrel. Yak, yak, yak. Well the red squirrel population is now *higher* than it was pre-telelscopes, and in fact increased to their highest populations all during construction, and only decreased due to the fire. So put your energies where they are needed, like human population control...start with illegals. "

sierravista wrote on Dec 20, 2007 6:59 AM:

" To SV LIB I for one will NOT be tuning my banjo, but I will be loading my weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you live in a dream world if you actually are deluded enough to think Hillary will rule, because if she is elected, that is what she will do, RULE her subjects, and I for one prefer to be a citizen...if you like being a subject, move to Mexico, they have millenia of practice with subjects. "

mike wrote on Dec 20, 2007 5:18 AM:

" If you are for legalization of illegal immigrants than you are either rich, retired a business employer that employs them or in a situation that they do not threaten your job. If you are for deportation and stiffer penalties than you are middle class citizens who's jobs are being taken by people who work for much less and live with ten other individuals in one rental.These people drive down the wages for the working class and are destroying the American dream for "legal" citizens. Before you criticize me please see what category you fit in. "

tired wrote on Dec 20, 2007 3:41 AM:

" I am tired of hearing all of this crap about Illegal entry into this country I am tired of hearing all that the Illegal community does for the American economy, before people make those comments they should pick up a book and read first, Illegal's are the number 1 drain on all state agencies in Arizona, that includes DOT agencies, Health services( that they are not intitled to) Educational services, and Jail space and yes it cost the tax payer around 35,000 a year. DUH "

Dan wrote on Dec 20, 2007 1:19 AM:

" SV Lib are you saying you also support illegal substances? then why support this kid of illegal activity? you make me sick. "

Dan wrote on Dec 20, 2007 1:18 AM:

" SV Lib, so what if Levi jeans are made in Mexico?! a lot more stuff is made in China, do you want them to start coming here ILLEGALLY also? that was a ridiculous comment, and you tell people to tune thir banjos? not all people opposed to illegal immigration are white. I think it is a big issue and I am HISPANIC, and I am not being a hypocrite either, because none of my family got here illegally, why? because the name says it all "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" get it? it is illegal "

Cheyenne wrote on Dec 19, 2007 7:51 PM:

" To all you liberals. When the illegal immigration of millions finally has a detrimental effect upon your life, remember your attitudes and comments. I hope and pray that you liberals lose your butts due to illegal mexicans ect.., Try to put food, pay your bills, on a pittance of a wage. "

Bobby wrote on Dec 19, 2007 4:26 PM:

" SV Lib, golly you sound so excited at the prospect of the ruin of our nation. Well, as long as these are your own authentic feelings on the subject, and not the result of brainwashing, I say enjoy yourself. Maybe you should go buy a serapi or one of those cute Mexican hats. "

SV Lib wrote on Dec 19, 2007 2:36 PM:

" You can keep crying... no matter what Mexicans will keep on coming. Bush is not going to do anything about it. And when Hillary takes over office the gates will open. And you all may just keep sitting at your porches and tune up your banjos. Oh By the way take a look at your Levi Jeans.... Yup made in Mexico. ENJOY! "

God Bless America... wrote on Dec 19, 2007 12:22 AM:

" To Ancient Story: You are comparing Moses and the Holy Bible to illegals bringing in disease and drugs into our country! May the Good Lord curse all who attempt to tear down this God Fearing country. "

Dan wrote on Dec 18, 2007 11:25 PM:

" Pesky, you kinda got a point, I am hispanic, and catholic, do I use birth control though? YES, I am also married, WITH NO KIDS, and don't plan on having any any time soon, I will have two at the most, I don't think all HISPANICS are overcrowding the country, I think MEXICANS are the ones that have all them kids, why do I and all the hispanics get a bad image because of the MEXICAN's fault? but then again you are prob some uneducated hillbilly that thinks all hispanics are the same.... "

Bobby wrote on Dec 18, 2007 10:59 PM:

" Independent, please don't get me wrong about Giffords. I don't and will not vote party any longer. Whichever, politician is sincere about this invasion and starts putting Americans interests before others is the one I will vote for. Plain and simple. "

Bobby wrote on Dec 18, 2007 10:55 PM:

" Independent, your right I didn't mention Kolbe, and your right as rain about him. He was abominable. I just figured he wasn't on the scene anymore, and forgot about the traitorous moron. And yes, I can't imagine why people in Arizona kept supporting him. It's scary. "

Confused wrote on Dec 18, 2007 7:49 PM:

" Greta Anderson cried when she saw the fence?? But Greta does not cry at all over the trash, human waste and decimation of our environment by the illegals? Oh, wait.. she is a member of the IMPOSTER ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP, THE SIERRA CLUB. "

Lucky Lumer wrote on Dec 18, 2007 7:38 PM:

" She is so lucky that she isn't my neighbor. "

Native wrote on Dec 18, 2007 7:36 PM:

" I know that I make stupid remarks posting on here. I can't help it, I only have a fifth grade education. Forgive me. "

Pesky wrote on Dec 18, 2007 5:52 PM:

" To Ancient Story: Joseph and Mary immigrated at a time the world had less than a billion people. We now have 6.5 billion, on our way to 9 billion by 2040. Rampant population growth, unfortunately, is "politically incorrect". Can we "adopt" all of the poor of the world when 80 million people are born each year, most in the third world--and the US because of high-breeding Hispanics who have driven our population growth? Blame the Catholic Church's backward position on birth control. And smarten up! "

Independent wrote on Dec 18, 2007 5:32 PM:

" To Bobby: You don't mention Kolbe who for years avoided any action to control the border or enforce immigration laws including harassing the Border Patrol's efforts for a permanent checkpoint. (Don't like a permanent checkpoint? Then move!) I don't plan to vote for Giffords (because of her attachment to Grijalva and other open border advocates on immigration), but don't forget how Republicans (including this dim-wit president) thwart enforcement by supporting amnesty last year and removing funding for the border fence yesterday. Republicans are held captive by business interests (boo). "

For All wrote on Dec 18, 2007 4:49 PM:

" Those illigal, lovin cry babies, maybe we should run around and pick ALL that trash, and put it in their yard to dispose of, gather all the dead, and forward the funeral expenses to them, and also forward the welfare, and hospital debts that they incurred and expected us tax payers to pay to those same people, It may take time, but if the people of Mexico really wanted to come here, they would do it legally, it only takes time and perserverance. Maybe Citizens for Boarder Solutions would love to help out with their legal expenses. "

Native wrote on Dec 18, 2007 1:29 PM:

" Both shallow and ignorant remarks. You go back to wherever you came from creep. Arizona Native. "

To Native wrote on Dec 18, 2007 12:41 PM:

" Go back to where ever your a native of, it sure isn't AZ. "

Native wrote on Dec 18, 2007 10:10 AM:

" To Hereford Rancher. What a shallow and ignorant remark. "

Carly wrote on Dec 18, 2007 7:06 AM:

" The border is being militarized at a rapid rate. It won't do anything to protect us--the 911 terrorists flew in and overstayed valid visas--but border communities and natural areas will continue to suffer from these hysterical government policies. "

To SVLib... wrote on Dec 18, 2007 3:54 AM:

" Go live in the wonderful Mexico...good ridance. How do you say treason in Mexican? Welfare?...Liberal?...Gime-Gime!!! "

Mexico friend... wrote on Dec 18, 2007 3:49 AM:

" For those who believe Mexico is a friend. Who did Mexico side with in World War I? The Axis... Who did Mexico side with in WW II? The Axis... Who did Mexico side with in the Cold War? The Soviet Union (look at the size of the Soviet and Soviet Block embassies at that time). Who is Mexico siding with in the War on Drugs? The drug cartels... Who is Mexico siding with in the War on Terror? They are not helping with the illegal problem, not even hostile countries. "

anonymous wrote on Dec 18, 2007 12:56 AM:

" Jackbenimble-tons of trash is right! I humbly suggest to those members of the Tohono O'odahm Nation who attended the event that they should invite the Sierra Club over to their house to do something worth while: pick up the tens of thousands of 40oz. Budweiser beer bottles strewn about their reservation. Afterwards they could all go out for a scenic hike on the well-worn illegal alien trails that you could drive a bus on. "

say what wrote on Dec 18, 2007 12:24 AM:

" We don't need a fence. Mexico needs a revolution, but as long as the US acts as the pressure release valve it will never happen. Remove the benefits of coming here and you will not need a fence and you will not need to dport anyone, but as long as this is a "sanctuary" no fence will stop the flow. The Mexicans need to take back their own country. "

ancient story wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:57 PM:

" Joseph and Mary had to flee with baby Jesus from King Herod. They became immigrants in Egypt... "

Dan wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:53 PM:

" hahaha! border moat with florida gators?! funny stuff........ "

Dan wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:46 PM:

" Are these people serious? they don't see the big picture, yeah I know you won't be able to do certain things anymore (the volleyball thing) but it seems we have to do everything possible to help stop illegal immigration, life isn't fair, I know a lot of this guys want jobs but just as many are in it just to smuggle drugs, or to escape their criminal convictions, I have no problem with immigration as long as it is done LEGALLY! illegal immigration is a crime! and it has to be stopped, we need the fence. "

steve wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:26 PM:

" they seem to be upset at allege human rights violations at the border, yet these same people refuse to protest against the genocide charges being dropped at thier ex presidente luis echeverria for ordering the shooting of mexican citizens in 1968 on october 2, and easter sunday 1971 in mexico city which on his orders army soldiers fired from helocopters at mex citizens marching calmly against the corruption in mexico, they really have no problem with mexican government officiales being exempt from their protests "

To Cowboy.. wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:20 PM:

" I'm a native born southern Arizonan who's had it with the bleeding heart liberals that would give our Country away if we let them. Sierra Vista is still as beautiful as you left it. We just have a few noisy new comers who brought their politics along with them. They're even coming from out of state to picket Ft Huachuca for human rights violations for torturing terrorists. Tree huggers and bird watchers say we're running out of water (we're not), and "no growthers" are causing an explosion of wildcat building in rural areas that do more damage to the environment!! "

Bobby wrote on Dec 17, 2007 10:44 PM:

" When will snakes like Giffords be removed from office. My Lord, if folks keep voting in people like her, forget it. Don't some Americans get it? There are no good Democrats, including Giffords, on illegal immigration. Your chasing a chimera. "

TN NATIONAL GUARD wrote on Dec 17, 2007 9:05 PM:

" Cowboy, it was your unit-the TN National Guard that were cowards and retreated from your posts last January when 4 illegal aliens came walking through it with guns. Inform your commander we are thankful his men are back home. Bush-send us real men. "

How Interesting wrote on Dec 17, 2007 8:29 PM:

" Cecile Lumer, Communist friend of Commandante Marcos of Chiapis fame, tells us to open our borders to all. Lumer is also a buddy of Pat Fleming, former Democratic Party Chair and a past, perhaps future Democratic candidate for state office. Democrat Paul Newman seems to like Mexican drugs more than American freedom. Is there something about the Democratic Party that dictates against caring for America first? Or do these aging hippies just get off on blowing wind? "

cowboy wrote on Dec 17, 2007 8:15 PM:

" I am a TN National Guardsman. I was on borer mission almost nine months. I fell in love with Sierra Vista the surounding area and the people. It's the best place I have ever been! I check the Sierra Vista news often on the computer, I am very happy to see the majority of SV citizens support securing the border and enforcing imigration laws. I live in a small town close to NC where a lot of christmas trees are grown. Recently a drunk illegal ran his vehicle into the back of another car and killed the famiys teenage son. "

Hereford Rancher wrote on Dec 17, 2007 8:05 PM:

" I think the border fence is a TERRIBLE idea. I'd much rather see a border moat filled with some excess Florida alligators. "

AZ NATIVE wrote on Dec 17, 2007 7:11 PM:

" Geez, I saw the fence and thought it was crafted by a Bisbee artist... a Cristo wannabe. No matter, its great to see at least somebody is trying to halt the illegal invasion. It will,of course, not stop all illegal traffic. On the other hand it may stir up national and worldwide attention and perhaps entice Mexico to do something about their corruption, a long shot. In addition if the ENVIRONMENTAL IMPOSTER ORGANIZATION, THE SIERRA CLUB,and all the other imposter religious groups, would address the illegals/corruption in Mexico, maybe the fence would not have been necessary. "

Cheyenne wrote on Dec 17, 2007 6:47 PM:

" For every action there is a reaction. This wall is a reaction to an invasion of the USA by a foreign people. These invaders are assisted and encouraged by their foreign government. The invaders are also assisted and encouraged by a few citizens of the USA. Nothing up to this point has worked. Our laws have been questioned not only by a few citizens but by the foreign government that encourages our laws to be broken. Look at how that foreign government treates illegal immigrants in their country. The invaders need to stay in their own country and change it. "

What the H wrote on Dec 17, 2007 6:35 PM:

" Our county supervisor is with this group? Who in the H. does he represent? The Mexicans, the illegal Mexicans? When is the next election? "

the sierra club wrote on Dec 17, 2007 6:25 PM:

" They have a big contributer that doesn't want them to go against illegal immigration. Google it. And good old Giffords is on their side too. "

Volleyball player wrote on Dec 17, 2007 6:21 PM:

" They still could still play, but can't see the Mexicans, and you sure can't trust them. "

Fence Will Help wrote on Dec 17, 2007 5:49 PM:

" The fence won't stop them but it will slow them down and channel them into catch areas. By the way, where can I get one of those 20 foot extension ladders for $20? Ace Hardware, Lowe's, Home Depot and Sutherland's charge much more. $20 bucks is a real steal! "

Mr. Tilton, what do you propose? wrote on Dec 17, 2007 4:48 PM:

" You can put the 'Pork Barrel' label on anything you don't like. What you failed to say is what do you propose? "

Diane wrote on Dec 17, 2007 4:43 PM:

" Why on earth do we have to read the comments regarding the CRACKPOTS at the border? These people are hilarious! "“I was born in Bisbee,” said elderly Ralph Sproule. “I’m half Mexican and half Irish, and nobody’s going to tell me I can’t speak Spanish anywhere and anytime I want to. Heck, if I could speak Chinese, I’d speak that too." Gee lets all speak Chinese!! Hahahahah "

Marty wrote on Dec 17, 2007 4:39 PM:

" Damn!! No more volleyball games! "

ToAZNOWAY! wrote on Dec 17, 2007 4:16 PM:

" Looks to me more folks are against illegal aliens entering our great nation than for the illegals. You liberal whinning protesters need to do something better with your lives. You liberal news folks need to write some positive stories once in a while. Go BP, git some!! "

Bobby wrote on Dec 17, 2007 2:28 PM:

" Jackbenimble, thank you for pointing out the duplicity and deceiving nature of the ENVIRONAMENTAL IMPOSTER ORGANIZATION KNOWN AS THE SIERRA CLUB. The will not support a stop to illegal immigration, or massive legal immigration. They are bogus. No true environmental organization would restrict these issues from their agenda. Which makes one wonder just what their agenda is? Please, if you care about the environment don't sign up, buy anything from or support this ridiculous organization in any way. Americans have got to wake up, become aware, and start supporting real values important to them. "

Bobby wrote on Dec 17, 2007 2:22 PM:

" All these liberals who play on Mexican or hispanic peoples sypmpathies, are so deluded. They couldn't care less about Mexican or hispanic people. They hate this nation and are good old fashioned communists at heart, who's plan is to divide people in order to control them. As old as Julius Caesar. "

Sgt Mahoney wrote on Dec 17, 2007 2:01 PM:

" Well Ed, at least it's a long walk. Way better than a few strands of barbed wire that stop nothing. "

Gregorio wrote on Dec 17, 2007 1:28 PM:

" To Seth Foley... Don't look at it as a dystopian structure... Look at it the way I do - ART! "

LB wrote on Dec 17, 2007 1:02 PM:

" I am a 5th genertion native of Arizona. Hurray for the fence. If I can find a presidential candidate that is willing to take a stand against this seige of illegals, you can bet HE has my vote. "

Beauty wrote on Dec 17, 2007 12:44 PM:

" Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and I think the fence is beautiful. A beautiful barrier, to keep out the scum coming across the border illegally. "

Ed Tilton wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:56 AM:

" Anyone who does not like the Naco Fence need only walk around it. It and all of the high tech gadgets the Border Patrol is deploying are only Pork Barrel Contracts for Republican Contributors "

Dan Ramirez wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:47 AM:

" yep,I'm hispanic and I surely am not whining about the border fence because I support it. since when has national security taken a back seat to seperation of "friends' on the other side? yes, no doubt,there will those who can still find a way to cross, but the fence is also meant to stop illegal crossing of vehicle hauling drugs that end up in american cities.Make it clear,not all border crossers are looking for work,because some work for the mexican drug cartels! "

June wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:46 AM:

" I wonder if those opposed to the fence on environmental grounds, prefer the thousands of tons of trash left by the invaders? These people want to further enable the corrupt country of Mexico to send its people for the American taxpayer to support. Drugs and humans - the chief exports of the country south of our border. We are most unfortunate to have to share a common border with people whose leaders demand, threaten, and insult us, while still sending their poor so that the elite can live in the style that America's government has provided for them. "

Joe wrote on Dec 17, 2007 11:21 AM:

" Stop the invasion!! NUMBERSUSA.COM "

jackbenimble wrote on Dec 17, 2007 10:39 AM:

" Interesting that the Sierra Club has never had anything to say about the mountains of trash that the illegals have been leaving in the desert. Or that they have never bothered to complain about the roads which the drug dealers have randomly carved through our national parks on the border. I think I detect an agenda that has more to do with liberalism than environmentalism. "

hmmm... wrote on Dec 17, 2007 10:34 AM:

" You know the thing with the wall is kind of ridiculous. I mean... wall or no wall they are going to come across illegally. Either by digging or like mentioned in the article with a ladder. I just think it's an eye sore for our beautiful southern region and honestly isn't going to stop them from coming. They will find a way. The ocean never stopped the cubans. Just sad that an ugly fence worth tons of money isn't going to do jack but ruin our scenery and waste our tax dollars. "

Sunshine wrote on Dec 17, 2007 10:31 AM:

" The majority of Americans want the fence so what a few people that live there want does not concern me at all. BTW, Mr. Sproule, no one told you that you could not speak Spanish anywhere that you want to, but don't expect me to have to learn Spanish. This is an English speaking country and it is up to legal immigrants to learn English. If ILLEGALS ever want to become LEGAL citizens they need to wait in line and learn English as well. "

to heck with liberals wrote on Dec 17, 2007 10:17 AM:

" not only should we have the fence, but lets make it higher it should also be electrified and mined. No one talks about the drug dealers, the murders in the huachuca's, the fact that the mexican government shot down a border patrol UAV last year. Americans want security and could care less about traditional routes and whether or not you can play volleyball on the border. To fret about a trickle of water - you have way too much time on your hands - get over it - nobody is making you live here "

Get informed wrote on Dec 17, 2007 9:54 AM:

" Just to let you know, illegal aliens are not deported unless they have committed a felony. And the center in Naco, Sonora is going to attract all types of people. Let's see in a few months how badly crime will escalate, not just there, but also in the U.S. Oh, but I'm sorry, I forgot...they're all just looking for a job...and on their way in, they'll commit several crimes, but hey, let's give em a chance! "

Critter wrote on Dec 17, 2007 9:39 AM:

" Open Borders Traitors are the problem and these people are them. "

AzLuna wrote on Dec 17, 2007 8:48 AM:

" You know what they say, "it only takes one to ruin it for the whole class...". Because of so many other illegals breaking our laws, terrorizing US citizens, demanding rights and financial aid, giving birth to "anchor babies", they have ruined it for all the other people who "just want to have a better life". It's just too bad that it has come to this, but what else is there? We need to secure the border now, then go back and work through other solutions while the borders are secured. "

SV Resident wrote on Dec 17, 2007 8:36 AM:

" If they would have stayed home and tried LEGALLY, all of them, we would not need a fence. Since they didn't, I feel that anything we do to deter them from coming ILEGALLY is fair game, including a fence, no jobs, jail, loss of assets gained while here and , if necessary, split up the families and send the illegal ones back. That's what happens to Americas' criminals, they are ounished, lose their stuff and are removed from their familiy. Goodbye illgal aliens. "

JB wrote on Dec 17, 2007 8:27 AM:

" Want to know what I protest? I protest illegals coming here robbing, raping, terrorising women by tying them up and trashing their homes. I protest ANYONE being in my country illegaly. As for the fence, it is sorely needed to keep these kinds of people out and Mexico needs to take care of its own. If these protesters want to do something constructive, let them work on that!! "

get over it wrote on Dec 17, 2007 8:23 AM:

" Protesters need to understand that a guest worker program and other legal solutions to the immigration problem will not move forward until the border has been reasonably secured. Mexico needs to understand that the invasion is simply no longer in the cards. Once that reality sets in, all sides can look for ways to provide us the workers we need and the jobs they need. "

Just don't get it??? wrote on Dec 17, 2007 8:10 AM:

" What is with you people? These Mexicans cross "illegally" and you support them? You support meth users, rapists, etc. also? Same thing...they are all breaking the law. Or, do YOU determine which laws should be followed and which are okay to break? That fence is LONG overdue and a VERY welcome sight!!! It is people like you that will be the demise of America! "

RJ wrote on Dec 17, 2007 8:04 AM:

" To Ralph Sproule, Nobody cares if somebody speaks Spanish. The problem is people come here to work or live and never bother to learn English. Why would you move to a country and not learn the common language? If I moved to Mexico, should I expect businesses to all employ someone to translate English for me just because I'm too lazy to learn Spanish? No. I've been to Mexico and, even just for a visit, did my best to speak the native language. Anybody coming here should do the same. "

sierravista wrote on Dec 17, 2007 7:59 AM:

" And as long as Mexico and Mexican disrespect this great nation, which for years has given them vast sums of money and employment, then I for one hope the well and fence will be built across the entire state of Arizona and fortified with returning military menbers as we Americans have the right , get it the RIGHT, to feel secure in this nation which was created and won throught the loss of lives and blood by those who came before...If Mexicans want a better life, let them stan up to the corrupt governemnt and creat that life in MEXICO!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

SVLib wrote on Dec 17, 2007 7:43 AM:

" Kudos to Cecile Lumer for standing up. This wall needs to come down. "

Mark wrote on Dec 17, 2007 7:22 AM:

" It’s guaranteed right here,” he added, indicating his well-marked-up copy of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. WHAT??????? United Nations???? What ever happened to the UNITED STATES documents? I'm a UNITED STATES CITIZEN not some disfunctional united nations citizen. Wake up!! "

To Editor wrote on Dec 17, 2007 7:19 AM:

" What is a dysutopian structure? Can't find it in the dictionary. EDITOR'S NOTE: Believe the correct spelling should by dystopian. "

Recall Time wrote on Dec 17, 2007 7:16 AM:

" Newman is an illegal supporter, time to get him out of office. County supervisors are supposed to represent the people of the county, not illegal supporters. "

JBP wrote on Dec 17, 2007 7:03 AM:

" 40 people get together in one place, and this is newsworthy? Why does the press continually cater to the fringe? "

Witness to History wrote on Dec 17, 2007 6:41 AM:

" Wow - with turnout like this - they ought to be able to clean up some of the trash left behind by the people they're so worried about. But no, all they want is to continue to tear down our nation. Build Big Walls and Wide Doors - when it's easier to come in legally than it is illegally, illegal immigration will stop. FIX MEXICO!! "

Pauly wrote on Dec 17, 2007 6:29 AM:

" Wow! Almost 40 people showed up and the reporter had to mention the pets like that made a difference. These days the cross border fiestas are replaced by home invasions. Build the fence - secure our border now! "