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Call on EMS helicopters to recent auto wreck is crux of investigation

Whetstone fire chief defends, explains his decision

By Dana Cole
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Sunday, Jan 04, 2009 - 02:41:43 am MST

WHETSTONE — Whetstone Fire Chief Peter Bidon is under investigation by Arizona Department of Health Services for a decision he made at the scene of a recent vehicle wreck.

Despite the investigation, Bidon stands by the decision, citing a list of reasons for his actions.

The incident in question involves a Dec. 5 two-car wreck on Highway 82 west of Tombstone where Christina Waller, 14, was killed at the scene and Chad Labanow, 16, and Charles Zimmerman, 74, were flown to University Medical Center in Tucson for treatment.

Laura Oxley, public information officer for Arizona Department of Health Services, confirmed the department is conducting “an open investigation into the circumstances surrounding the (Dec. 5) accident and what happened.”


Whetstone Fire Chief Pete Bidon (Herald/Review file photo)


The investigation could take up to eight months.

Bidon, who was the first responder on scene, is being criticized for calling air ambulances through Arizona LifeLine directly, instead of going through a dispatcher that would have sent the two closest medical helicopters.

LifeNet Arizona, a company with an air ambulance housed at Sierra Vista Regional Health Center, and Air Evac, with an air ambulance at Sierra Vista airport, had available helicopters at the time of the wreck and would most likely have been dispatched if Bidon had not called LifeLine directly. The two LifeLine helicopters traveled from Douglas and Nogales.

Tucson Meds, an emergency response dispatching service owned by the city of Tucson tracks helicopters and other emergency medical service responders and gives local dispatchers information about the closest and most available ambulances.

Bidon’s decision not to go through Tucson Meds when he made the call for LifeLine is also being questioned.

So why did Bidon call helicopters that would take an additional 20 minutes to reach the scene when there were two other air ambulances in close proximity, about five minutes flight time?

“When I called those two helicopters, I knew how long it was going to take to extricate those people out of their vehicles,” Bidon said. “I had an incident action plan and those two helicopters arrived just as we disentangled the cars from the patients and got them out safely.”

Extrication equipment from Whetstone Fire Station took about 15 minutes to arrive on scene. The ambulance arrived right behind Bidon, who immediately assigned triage, and then called for more help.

 “I functioned as an incident commander, not as a paramedic,” he said. “I had nobody available to land a helicopter, as we had a limited number of people at the scene.”

Bidon said he knew it would take about 25 minutes to extricate the accident victims, the same estimated time of arrival he was given by the two air ambulances that he called.

“LifeLine’s ETA fit into my incident command plan,” said Bidon, who also is a paramedic for LifeLine.

He argues that, had helicopters arrived prior to that time, they would have had to wait until rescue crews on the ground could secure a safe landing zone, as ground crews were busy extricating and helping the accident victims. And he says the fact that he works for LifeLine had nothing to do with his decision that day.

“We were extremely busy because of the magnitude of the accident,” Bidon recalled. “Initially, we had three people on scene. Two others arrived a few minutes later, and two more arrived shortly after that.”

As the incident commander, Bidon said his top priority is to get the best possible assistance to the crash victims as quickly as possible. After assessing the scene, Bidon said he called for resources, directed the resources and came up with an action plan.

“Everything went like clockwork,” the fire chief added. “At no time was patient care compromised or mode of transport for the patients delayed.”

Referencing an accident log, Bidon said the first helicopter landed at 2:07 p.m. and left the scene at 2:13 p.m. Bidon also has a tape recording of his conversations with dispatchers during the accident.

“The second patient was handed off five minutes later to the other helicopter,” he said.

LifeNet sent a helicopter to the scene, too, though they were not dispatched by Bidon. LifeNet’s helicopter reached the scene before the other two air ambulances. Bidon said he and other emergency responders were too busy to take the time to secure a landing zone for the helicopter circling overhead.

Based on the taped conversation, LifeNet was told that once a landing zone could be secured, Bidon would be willing to use their air ambulance if the LifeLine helicopters had not yet arrived by the time the patients were extricated. However, because of the time it took to disentangle the accident victims from their vehicles, the other two helicopters were on scene when the extrication was completed, and it was not necessary to use the LifeNet helicopter.

“The safety of the two patients and emergency responders on the ground are a top priority,” Bidon said. “When LifeNet’s ship arrived, we did not have time to secure a safe landing zone, and they were told that. I did not refuse to speak to them.”

Bidon said he and his staff have had problems with LifeNet in prior incidents, and while he has submitted those grievances with the Southeast Arizona Emergency Medical Services Council, he says he has received no feedback or response from LifeNet. Some of those complaints, filed on an official SEAMS Regional Air Ambulance Quality Improvement Screening Form, go as far back as last July. Bidon says other air ambulance companies respond to complaints within 24 hours after receiving them.

“We’ve had problems with them belittling my staff and treating my medics in a disrespectful, condescending tone,” Bidon said. “We had an incident where a flight nurse was not only rude to my medic, but was rude to the patient. On that same call, LifeNet disregarded our recommendation to transport the patient to a trauma center, and flew the person to Sierra Vista Regional Health Center instead. If we had wanted the patient to go to the local hospital, we would have transported the person in one of our ambulances.”

In a related complaint against LifeNet, Whetstone firefighter/paramedic David Harnden writes his account of how he and some of his partners were treated by a LifeNet nurse while at the scene of an accident.

“After this call I felt utterly and completely disrespected, unvalued, unappreciated and looked down upon as a nobody because of the flight nurse’s attitude towards myself and my partners. This was an unprofessional act in every way,” Harnden writes in the complaint.

In addition to the way his staff is treated, Bidon said he has had problems with LifeNet’s estimated time of arrival, which has been off by as much as 20 minutes.

Rick Weiler, program director for LifeNet Arizona, said that because Bidon’s complaints have gone through SEAMS, his company responded to SEAMS directly.

“It was the proper protocol at that time,” Weiler said. “That policy has since changed, and we now respond to both SEAMS and the EMS agency filing the concerns.”

In addition, Weiler said he came to Sierra Vista on Nov. 13 to meet with air providers and emergency medical service agencies and addressed such concerns at that meeting.

Taylor Payson, executive director of SEAMS, did not want to comment because the Dec. 5 incident is under investigation.

Bidon also talked about problems he’s encountered with Tucson MEDS, the emergency dispatching service run by the city of Tucson.

“When we use Tucson MEDS, our call goes through three or four different dispatchers,” Bidon said. “Critical information will sometimes get lost as a result. We’ve had helicopters sent 40 miles out of their way because of mistakes in directions. That’s why I prefer to call for air ambulances directly.”

Isaiah Twombly, communications center administrator for Tucson MEDS, said it’s common for rural area emergency responders to utilize the services of Tucson MEDS since helicopters typically transport to major hospitals in metropolitan Tucson.

“If we get calls from anyone outside the dispatch area, we make a decision on the closest air ambulances since we have the ability to track their locations,” Twombly said.

Even when air ambulances are called directly, as in the case of the Dec. 5 crash, their dispatchers are expected to let Tucson MEDS know about the call and where they’re responding.

“LifeLine should have contacted Tucson MEDS because they participate in this whole agreement,” Twombly said.

Bidon said LifeLine informed Tucson of its intent to respond to the crash.

Bidon’s grievances are directed toward LifeNet and do not include the other three air ambulance companies — LifeLine, Air Evac or the Tucson Rangers — that are dispatched through Tucson MEDS. He says the only reason he did not contact Air Evac the day of the accident was because he did not have the company’s number. Bidon now has the number and says he will contact Air Evac in the future.

And if directed by the Department of Health Services to quit working for the LifeLine, Bidon said he would do it.

“If worse comes to worst, I can resign from LifeLine in a heartbeat,” he said. “If the state of Arizona directs me to use LifeNet, then I’ll use them.”

Bidon added, “What is important for people to understand is that at no time in my decision did I ever compromise the well-being or safety of the patients. I had an incident action plan, and I knew I had about 25 minutes before those patients could be extricated from their vehicles. That gave me ample time to get those helicopters there and secure a landing zone. We will never land a helicopter if we do not first secure a landing zone.”

Herald/Review reporter Dana Cole can be reached at 515-4618 or by e-mail at dana.cole@svherald.com.



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    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 18, 2009 10:52 PM:

    " To, To N AZ Medic. That incident happend in Flagstaff not Show Low and they were not on a scene call, It was Guardian and Classic and they both were on final approch to Flagstaff Medical Center. Part of my post's that didnt make it thru was that the pilots are experienced, many ex Military. They know where they can and cant land, and whats safe and not safe. They take their jobs very seriously and do it safely. "

    Someone wrote on Jan 18, 2009 7:28 PM:

    " No more comments about how he fixed Whetstones' problems? I guess they found out that he fixed nothing. A big thank you to former Chief Chuck Balke for actually fixing their problems so Chief Bidon could step in and "look good." Only thing he has helped fix is the tax rate. It has climbed higher and the service is worse! Investigate the WFD board as well. "

    Someone wrote on Jan 18, 2009 7:23 PM:

    " The facts are....he disobeyed protocol. He is mad at one helo company so he calls his employer to send helos. He could have, and should have called for backup but didn't. Why didn't he call for backup if he was as understaffed as he says he was? WFD board will you answer these questions? Probably not as they haven't got the intestinal fortitude! Hello lawsuit! "

    To N. AZ Medic wrote on Jan 18, 2009 7:05 PM:

    " Didn't you guys run into each other, flying helicopters a while back? "

    t wrote on Jan 18, 2009 6:42 PM:

    " Personally, I wouldn't want anyone flying overhead while I am at a scene unless I am ready to have them land. They are one more risk factor for me to worry about. The less worries at a time the smoother a scene will go. If you can take one step at a time; when you are ready to take that step; it all goes much easier on everyone, especially the patients. "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 18, 2009 1:36 PM:

    " I dont know bout anyone else But I would love that on a bad accident like that to have a helicoptor flying over head! There are more times then not here in northern Az we dont have helicoptors availble. How nice would it be to to have the extra help, flight crews can RSI , Big help especially with trauma. And in all seriousness a helo can pretty much land anywhere the hwy makes a awesome landing spot. All the Chief has to do is let them about any hazards such as power lines and such. We have landed them "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 18, 2009 12:59 PM:

    " "If worse comes to worst, I can resign from LifeLine in a heartbeat,” he said. “If the state of Arizona directs me to use LifeNet, then I’ll use them"

    In his own words. He did not put the pt's best interest first! LifeNet was 5 mins away... oh wait they were on scene flying over head and he would not let them land. I have had problems with some helicoptor crews, but I put pt care FIRST and acted as a professional. We have Native Air and Air Evac stationed NRMC/SRMC, I did not ever call Guardain out of Flagstaff "

    replace the board wrote on Jan 18, 2009 3:06 AM:

    " Is the service of WFD any better than it was last year, taxes have went up quit a bit but is the service any batter!! The WFD board has not given Whetstone a chief that is worth the tax hike. whetstone pays more taxes but the service has went down. The chief is not the poblem the board that hired the chief is the problem. Replace the board before Whetstoen tax payers have to settle a structured settlement!!! "

    To Resident Also wrote on Jan 17, 2009 8:20 PM:

    " Really? Did you actually read the article. Biden whines about the way his employee was made to feel less than great. So yes, that was his ulterior motives, Biden put it in black and white, for the next attorney waiting to sue WFD, becuase he failed in his duty, and put the district at fault. "

    Resident also wrote on Jan 17, 2009 2:44 AM:

    " I live in the Whetstone Fire District and feel very secure in the fact that Chief Bidon has the patient's best interest at heart. The Fire District does not have alot of employees / reserve personnel, but they do a great job with what they have. Many think the Chief had alterior motives for calling a specific company over another, but I work in the medical field and in an emergency situation I don't see that you have the time to plan to get back at another company because you dislike how they treated your employees. "

    replace the board wrote on Jan 16, 2009 11:44 PM:

    " Fry fire district taxes are no higher than WFD taxes, a fire district can only charge a certain percent of assesed value no matter what district it is. WFD taxes used to be lower till chief Bidon decided to raise them to the maximium percentage permitted to Fire districts, and this is the service we get for the higher taxes. Whetstone demand better service if you pay more taxes. Bidon is no better than the last chief, maybe even worse. "

    Arm Chair QBLOL wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:13 PM:

    " Imagine if everyone just did what felt right at the time or its okay just because it worked out. What are protocols, rules, etc for in the first place? Lawyers salivate over cases like this because it is a quick easy buck. Who is left with the tab? Fact is if they cannot get essential functions done due to staffing ( treatment, extrication, LZ) that is what mutual aid is for. Feelings and opinions do not matter much because what will hold up in court is this: similiar training and experience with this protocol-what do you do? Your answer? "

    Come On wrote on Jan 16, 2009 6:47 PM:

    " Wrong is wrong, andit don't take common sense to figure out Biden is wrong, and even his little blind followers can't dispute that. They only say "What it came out all right" Idiots do stupid things everyday and yes they may come out alright, but it only takes that one time it don't, and then the taxpayers are the ones holding the bag, since Biden broke protocol, and the insurance then won't cover. Like I say idiots may do it everyday, but that don't make it right. "

    To replace the board wrote on Jan 16, 2009 2:56 PM:

    " Before you suggest paying your taxes for the Fry Fire Dept. you should check how outrageously high they are. And to think people compalin, about the portion the school gets. "

    Resident wrote on Jan 16, 2009 2:39 PM:

    " From my understanding "Fry Fire" has the medical CON for the Whetstone Area and can choose to supply service at any time but allows WFD to supply it instead. Maybe this is one thing we can look at as residents. "

    replace the board wrote on Jan 16, 2009 12:40 AM:

    " Yes Fry has the con for medical service in Whetstone, but Fry lets WFD because of the location use their con. I would think as a resident you would know that! Certainly a dispatcher should know that. But after seeing the Chiefs that WFD Board hires, I think I would feel safer if FRY responded. Maybe Whetstone residents should pay their taxes to Fry it would be money better spent!! Do I have the option to call FRY direct like bidon called lifeline, can I use who I want!! "

    Reads between the lines wrote on Jan 15, 2009 7:43 PM:

    " Just because of all the Monday arm chair quarters backs, giving advice using names that make them sound as they are professionals, doesn't mean anything. You can post under anyname you wish.
    Sincerely
    SE AZ Medic/Doctor/Lawyer/Expert. "

    Hang Him wrote on Jan 15, 2009 12:17 PM:

    " To Northern Az Medic, you wrote:

    "Why on earth would any EMS or FD personell even CONSIDER calling helicoptors from that far away?? Makes absolutely no sense. "

    Like the Chief said, timing..... it's all in the timing. But you already know that, hey maybe he was wrong, maybe he was right. My point is he got the job done, end of story. "

    Resident wrote on Jan 15, 2009 9:17 AM:

    " To Northern AZ Medic: I see what you're saying it would make sense to assign people to take care of every aspect. As a medic you know that this isnt the case when you have beginners or inexperienced staff. Small organizations like these tend to be where someone starts out and then gets offered more money to go work somewhere else. Your staff has to be able to know how "to do triage", or "set up an LZ" or, "extricate a pt from vehicle". I would love to see rescuers held to much higher proficiency levels and much higher pay. "

    look deeper wrote on Jan 15, 2009 8:36 AM:

    " I don't know if I completely agree with "Replace the Board". However, as the Bidon investigation continues I would also investigate ALL of WFD board members (one in particular) I think you might be surprised or even shocked at what is found! It will be interesting how this all shakes out. Board members do what is right for the community at large! "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:10 PM:

    " Regardless of whatever "excuse" or "justification" for Mr Bidon's actions the cold hard fact is he dropped the ball. If this had turned out for the worse, thank God for the victims and the family it didnt, all these people that are trying to justify it would be the first ones pointing the fingers and asking why he did not call the nearest helicoptor because "that is protocal right"? "Why did he break protocal?" Look at the map, Why on earth would any EMS or FD personell even CONSIDER calling helicoptors from that far away?? Makes absolutely no sense. "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 14, 2009 7:26 PM:

    " once the LZ is established the provider that set up the LZ can now go help the triage person with the initial care while waiting for extrication, Chief still able to communicate with in coming units such as the two helo's that were launched from 5 mins away, they land and assist with pt care until they are extricated packaged and go directly to waiting helo's and to definitive care. Simple, hundreds of EMS providers and FD's do this regularly, many with more patients and less providers. "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 14, 2009 7:04 PM:

    " On scene. Two patients with seven emergency responders should not constitute an MCI, if seven people can not handle two patients something is not adding up. The reason for an IAP is to plan for what is BEST for the patients, to find the closest resources and UTILIZE them. How difficult is it to manage a scene such as this? Chief arrives on scene, ambulance shortly there after, assign one member to do triage the other to set up a LZ takes a whole couple of mins to set up a LZ. Or have Law Enforcment do it. "

    t wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:58 PM:

    " oh please !! I have worked with many medics who have become air medics and they weren't very good at thier jobs on the ground. How can you say they are any better in the air? Some are awesome and some not so much, ground or air. "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:34 PM:

    " The more I read its obvious that people are writting based on personal feelings not the actual facts of the incident, to "Hang Him" while its true not everything is "iron clad" anyone who has spent any length of time in EMS know's that, with that said anyone looking objectively at this situation (there are some posters that seem to be) this was a black and white situation let's break it down. There was 3 patients, one was deceased on scene which leaves two level one pt's. Mr Bidon said that he had a total of 7 people "

    Ive Never wrote on Jan 14, 2009 3:31 PM:

    " heard of Fry or SVFD or even Ft Huachuca making bad decisions like this. I guess those guys do look out for the community, and think about the situation in a manner that doesn't let personal feelings get in the way, and they are thinking about the tax payer who has to pay for thier screw ups. "

    Team520 to Hang Him wrote on Jan 14, 2009 2:38 PM:

    " One of my favorites.....I will take it and I appreciate the vote of confidence. After your round, I will buy the next. "

    Resident wrote on Jan 14, 2009 2:05 PM:

    " Upon reading this article It does sound like the Chief's reasoning was correct, but once you throw in that "conflict of interest" issue with the dual employment it gets more complicated. Don't we as people tend to think that our organizations are superior? Of course most of us would call the organization we work for when given a choice. This doesn't mean its correct though. It all comes down to whats best for the patient in the end. With a small developing organization there is lack of resources both capital and human. Would you work for 30k or 60k? "

    Hang Him To Team520 wrote on Jan 14, 2009 12:38 PM:

    " You are one squared away individual. I like the way you think.... Can't buy you a real beer, so I'll give you virtual one, and a Tall one at that! Sip easy, it's a Hefeweizen. "

    just my opinion wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:29 AM:

    " To Hereford resident: yes, air medics do have more experience than ground medics. They also have an advanced level of care--not just anyone can be an air medic! I don't think anyone meant it as an arrogant statement--it is just a fact. I respect medics (especially those that follow protocal and don't let personal feelings get in the way) and the difficult job that they face everyday. "

    Resident wrote on Jan 14, 2009 7:48 AM:

    " If you guys are the least bit concerned about our quality of service, I encourage you to visit the fire station and see for ourselves the quality of training/service. As a resident, I want "professional' rescuers who are properly trained, educated and most importantly have a passion for that line of work. That is very important in that field. I know some members from Fry Fire and I know for a fact that some of these people have dedicated their lives to training and education. Countless and countless hours invested. "

    arrogant wrote on Jan 14, 2009 1:39 AM:

    " If protocals mean nothing to the WFD board how can whetstone tax payers expect the chief to follow protocols. There is a way for whetstone tax payers to VOTE FOR A NEW BOARD MEMEBER. The current board has no right to interview a canidate for the position. They will be informed by special elections about the proper procedure, as this will be reported! How arrogant is the WFD board to think they can over ride the voters of whetstone and appoint who they want as a board memeber!! "

    arrogant wrote on Jan 14, 2009 1:31 AM:

    " The Wfd board thinks that they can appoint a new board memeber by them selves. I saw a posting at the shell station about a meeting on tuesday the 14 of january, which would have been either the 13 or wendsday the 14 . where the board wanted to interveiw a potential new board memeber. The board has protocols which they must folow, the tax payers vote for board members!!! I am sure that special elections would want to know how WFD board runs things!!! Replasce the board and help whetstone!!! "

    to replace the board wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:36 PM:

    " You do know that Fry Fire holds the CON for the Whetstone Fire Response area right....Being a Whetstone resident even i know this. "

    Team520 wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:49 PM:

    " LOL...you "by the book" guys are hilarious. Yes, you have to have procedures but at the same time people like Biden are put into positions like that for a reason and it isn't because they follow every policy and procedure. Give me a break!!! Leaders, Managers or Supervisors are paid when the times are tough not when they are easy. If they were then you'd be doing that job...which you are not. "

    DUH wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:04 PM:

    " I would think that some people would know to call for back up, or advice if needed IF protocols did not fit the situation. BUT protocols did fit this one, and WFD is failing to keep the publics confidence when personal issues get in the way as they so odviously did in this situation.It's to bad some people can't think outside Bdens box and can't see that. Narrow minded and the faithfully misguided, wake up. "

    Hang Him wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:14 AM:

    " To WOW and others.... I understand that you want to follow "Protocols" and the "Rules". I understand these have been created from past experiences, but have all experiences been experienced? Are these "Protocols" and "Rules" that IRON clad that such educated people as yourselves can't see if maybe... oh just maybe... some things are not that Black/White? Especially in your field of EMS, boy I hope that you (WOW) are able to think outside the box if needed, and if I need U, I hope you don't stop fixin' me up because of Protocol. "

    Resident wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:30 AM:

    " Sadly, this comes down economics. It would be nice if a hurt or injured patient in need could request the the healtcare providers of their liking. The reality is that initially the local service is the first utilized before mutual aid is used. "

    Cleo wrote on Jan 12, 2009 11:38 PM:

    " How can the chief know the amount of time to take the individuals out of the cars? Usually the chief in charge would delegate the chief/assistant chief of the other mutual aide department(s ) to prepare the landing area/secure the area. While one department or EMS/Firefighters are extracting victims’. This is very unfortunate for all. My heart and prayers are with the families. I have read Bidons credentials and it would seem that he is very educated and has many years in this field. At least that is what I get from Dana’s articles. Stop the politics and $$$ issues time to get serious WFD Board members. "

    Southern Az EMT wrote on Jan 12, 2009 10:09 PM:

    " To hereford res. Scope of practice and experience are to completely different things. Its not how long you have done it. Its what you are allowed to do to the pt. "

    Cleo wrote on Jan 12, 2009 9:18 PM:

    " Checking the results of a decision against its expectations shows executives what their strengths are, where they need to improve, and where they lack knowledge...WFD Board Members Please review your contract with the chief. The public was informed by board member Evans in 2007 - you all were going to hire an HR contractor to write the Fire Chief contact. The contract would ensure no conflict of issue(s) or dual relationship with other agencies. As a tax payer/Whetstone resident I do not want to pay for additional taxes for someone not following protocol. Reprimand the chief and/or terminate his noncompliance. Yes, we are a right to work state- but if I were you all I would document ~ document! May save you and the tax payers $$$! "

    mutual aid wrote on Jan 12, 2009 8:57 PM:

    " Why was WFD so short handed, Dont they have mutual aid with the surrounding departments!! In the 15 minutes it took for the extrication equipment to arrive, Iam sure HCFD, PBW even FRY or SVFD could have arrived to set up a LZ. Will other departments consider canceling mutual aid with WFD? Now that WFD does not follow protocols and according to Bidon will not follow protocols in the future. What Chief would want to endanger his department or personel by keeping mutual aid with a department that doesnt follow protocols! "

    Stupid stupid posters. wrote on Jan 12, 2009 6:15 PM:

    " All these arm chair quarterbacks that probably don't have a job, think they know how to do it better than someone that is trained in his field. Have another beer and chips, and go to bed. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on Jan 12, 2009 6:11 PM:

    " To Southern Az EMT: Where do you get off saying that an air medic has more experience than the ground medics? What an arrogant thing to say. "

    DR wrote on Jan 12, 2009 3:59 PM:

    " I said it before and I'll say it again, follow the protocols, they are there for a reason whether you agree with them or not. "

    to team 520 wrote on Jan 12, 2009 3:56 PM:

    " I have been in his shoes in simliar circumstance and I followed protocol "

    WOW wrote on Jan 12, 2009 3:29 PM:

    " Hand Em, I guess you know all about protocols and EMS, and if you do you know that the rules set in place are there for a reason, I think is what some people are getting at, is why didn't he follow the protocols? Because one of his boys got his feelings hurt? I think WFD need to grow up to. and TEAM520, wow I wish we all were as good as you think you are, to good to follow proper protocols and play will with others? Yeah....I hope I get better service if I need it. "

    Team520 wrote on Jan 12, 2009 2:00 PM:

    " Agree with Hang Him. Walk a day in his shoes under simliar circumstances and see what you choose to do. Bunch of Uncle Tom's!! "

    Hang Him wrote on Jan 12, 2009 8:34 AM:

    " Come on S.V. ! Let's keep that true S.V. mindset. Just like anybody else that has done something in question, He's guilty! No proof, but still... He's guilty! Kick his kids out of school, end his career, take his house, you know he's guilty..... You people that run your mouths are a joke. He did a job, he did it as good as he knew how at the time it happened. End of story. You better hope he does it as good for U. Thank you sir--GOOD JOB. "

    Let it go wrote on Jan 12, 2009 8:26 AM:

    " Biden's actions meet the needs of patient care in a timely manner and based on his experience. Who cares if he followed proceedure? Does it really matter if what decision he made. There were only two selections: have two helecopters overhead for 10 minutes while they removed the patients from the vehicle vs landing the helecopters immediately after removing the patients? Give it up, there are better things to worry about than his reasoning. "

    AZ ent wrote on Jan 12, 2009 7:47 AM:

    " Pt care is what we all have been taught.
    Bidon and his staff need to grow up. So, you get "shot" down by LifeNet, big deal- think of YOUR patient- NOT of yourselves. What? LifeNet hurts your feelings-so your going to play else where? This IS NOT how the EMS game is played. You need to choose one or the other- LifeLine, or Whetstone Fire. Seems you can't be fair. As an EMT I have trust in my partner- making the right decisions- but reading this story- I HAVE NO TRUST IN YOU!!!!! "

    Hank wrote on Jan 11, 2009 11:27 PM:

    " I support Bidon and his decisions as they are probably what I would have done under the circumstances. Sounds like some people got their nose out of joint and are hoping that politics and other stuff will prevail. Good Job Chief. "

    Southern Az EMT wrote on Jan 11, 2009 8:29 PM:

    " To Northern Az Medic you are right on. Bidon was to worried about doing dispatches job in launching the helos. He should have used that time to set up the LZ. If short handed on scene it would of been handy to have a flight medic and a nurse on scene to help with pt care. considering that they have a larger scope of practise than a ground medic. Its all about pt care right? "

    t wrote on Jan 11, 2009 3:22 PM:

    " According to SAEMS protocols, requests for air EMS shall be directed through tucson meds. Meds will then determine the closest available aircraft. The requesting agency is then responsible for contacting the agency for support unless they are unable to do so and then Meds will contact them. The responding air unit is then supposed to notify Meds that they are responding. From what I gather, Bidon just bypassed Meds in determining which unit to call therefore actually saving time by avoiding the middleman to begin with. The air unit got the correct info from the direct source which helps patients "

    RE Dispatch wrote on Jan 11, 2009 1:46 PM:

    " Whetstone has had HC dispatch for ALOT longer than one board members been on the board, so lets not cry wolf just yet, and National EMS got straight to the point, one that Bidens followers clearly don't get! It's to bad that some of these people get off subject, pass the blame, and "justifying" actions that should never have to be "justified" If proper protocols were followed. We are all taught follow protocols even if we don't agree with them, as this is our safety net should anything go wrong. For WFD it's only a matter of time. "

    resign wrote on Jan 11, 2009 10:34 AM:

    " The department of health services should not be the agency to direct bidon to resign from lifeline, it should be the WFD board that directs Bidon to resign from lifeline!!!!! "

    replace the board wrote on Jan 10, 2009 11:05 PM:

    " Ii dont blame bidon for not going throgh dispatch. huachuca city is the dispatch for whetstone, and they have dispatched fry fire department numerous times before calling whetstone fire to respond in there con and the WFD board keeps the contract with H.C. cause a board memember works for the city of HUchuca city. CONFLICT OF INTERST IS NOT A PRIIOTITY OF THE WFD BOARD IF IT WAS BIDON WOULD ONLY WORK FOR WFD AND THIS WOULD NOT BE A ISSUE!!! "

    WisperingAZ wrote on Jan 10, 2009 7:21 PM:

    " Grow up people, the IC has the call on how efficiently these pt's can be extricated with the support he had upon arrival at the scene. Mr. Bidon obviously has enough on his plate to not be second, third or a hundred and thirty five guesses. Questioning someone's integrity is left up to others in the know and hold him accountable and his crew. Heaven forbid you would not welcome an IC that was unsure of his actions. Take a chill pill and grow up people. In the medical profession so many times cross each other just like other businesses. "

    desert resident wrote on Jan 10, 2009 5:38 PM:

    " To "rb": Hey, have you ever heard of the "road"?? Many times, when an EMS helicopter crew is called to a serious accident, the helicopters can (and have) land on the highway. Its been done many a time, ding dong!!!!! "

    National EMS wrote on Jan 10, 2009 12:04 PM:

    " Look the bottom line is Bidon has put the WFD in joepardy if legal action is brought against the district by any party involved. He has relinquished insurance backing by ignoring protocal so if and when the district is sued over this matter it is the residents of Whetstone who will be paying the structured settlement because the chief didnt follow established protocol.
    This is very serious buisness and he didnt just jepardise a patient he placed his whole districts taxpayers in jepardy. He's your loose cannon, I suggest you deal with him quickly or you will pay the price. "

    skeptic wrote on Jan 10, 2009 11:28 AM:

    " What would have happened had the extricating of the patients gone sooner than expected?? Would they have to wait till the lifeline helos arrived that bidon wanted?? This raises the question, was the extrication of the patients delayed to coincide with Bidons direct call to lifeline and the ariival of their helocopters?? Had Bidon used the correct protocol these quetions would not be raised!!!! "

    stevo wrote on Jan 10, 2009 5:58 AM:

    " and not only did he gamble with pt care to an extent, but he also gambled with his career to an extreme. i hope his beef with lifenet, and his employment with lifeline, are both worth that. he is supremely lucky that the outcome was positive. had one of the pts deteriorated during extrication, and a trial lawyer brings out in court that there was the availability of higher level care much sooner than what bidon provided, he would be liable for his breech of procedure. "

    stevo wrote on Jan 10, 2009 5:52 AM:

    " well, it seems there are alot of comments here from people who work in the area and know specifics i dont, like what the last chief was like. i dont know any of that. im not local. but i do work ems, over 100hrs/wk for 5 yrs. i know whats right. and i can smell a conflict of interest. any talk of past chiefs, and jobs well done, are getting away from the center point of this event. that is that this guy disregarded est. procedure, maybe because of who he works for, maybe because of a vendetta. "

    realistic wrote on Jan 9, 2009 11:39 PM:

    " to much ado over nothing: Bidon had nothing to do with the current ISO rating it was done while Balke was the interm chief the ratings were conducted well before Bidon became Chief if anyone is to get credit for the insurance ratings it would be Chuck Balke!!!! All bidon did was fall into the job at the right time. I will commend him for the increase in training the whetstone fire district perrsonel recieve, but give credit were credit is due Cuck Balke got the district a better ISO rating!!! "

    whetstone wrote on Jan 9, 2009 9:25 PM:

    " the biggest thing that chief bidon will have to answer for is not his decision making but his conflict of interest! It does not sit well with the tax payers that he called the company that he works for directly, to respond. The WFD board should have made it clear to him that he works for WFD and no one else. This is a failure of the WFD board for not mandating that he only works for WFD. it is not like he doesnt get paid enough he got thousands more than the last chief. "

    Hello wrote on Jan 9, 2009 8:51 PM:

    " Air evacuation plans and procedures are what makes a difference. Despite a dislike for what a flight nurse says or does can only be disputed in a complaint/grievance form. It may have worked this time but it was still out of procedure.
    Ex Army Med Air/Ground Evacuation Soldier. "

    WOW wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:36 PM:

    " What an concieted loser, he only used the company he worked for instead of following the states rules in place, and ignored protocols, didn't request assistance that he clearly needed. It will only be a matter of time before Whetstone gets sued. "

    Like OMG wrote on Jan 9, 2009 5:49 PM:

    " Can you B.N. anymore, I bet I can guess were you work. Biden was wrong, and he didn't follow protocols, IF you know anything about EMS you know those are in place to CYA, that's IF you know anything about EMS. "

    AZ FLIGHT MEDIC wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:47 PM:

    " Remember the words Do no harm ? Preventing ALS from accessing those patients when it is hovering overhead is doing harm which is what occurred here. Hey RWE wouldn't you use the closest most appropriate mule ? "

    much ado over nothing wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:41 PM:

    " Bidon is far better than the last chief. He has improved the fire crew's training and the Whetstone district's insurance rating. Many of the negative comments posted here are undoubtedly coming from supporters of the ousted chief. Sour grapes. And good riddance sore losers. "

    RWE wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:45 PM:

    " My opinion is that if it's my family and you have to take them by mule to save their lives I don't care who owns the mule. From what i read it was a job well done. "

    Paid to do the job wrote on Jan 9, 2009 12:13 PM:

    " I applaud him for the actions he took. This is what he is paid to do, he made decisions and got the mission accomplished. Quit second guessing and monday morning quarterbacking. Good job! "

    DR-FFEMT wrote on Jan 9, 2009 9:12 AM:

    " If you follow the protocols, at all times, then when things go wrong, you have a leg to stand on. It's the same procedure on a normal medical call, follow the protocols, then we wouldn't be reading about it in the newspaper. "

    launchpad wrote on Jan 9, 2009 9:02 AM:

    " chief bidon should have worn his flight suit for that picture up there at the start of this article. thats who he was representing that day, not his fire district, and certainly not the patients. he has proven that he has a conflict of interest, and he has shown which side he will choose. whetstone should act in bidon's best interest, and that of future pt's, and remove that potential conflict by removing him. "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 8, 2009 11:30 PM:

    " How long did it take him and the initial units to get on scene, he said 15 mins for the extrication to arrive, a lot can be accomplished in 15 mins such as setting up a LZ after you assign triage, if he had time to call the helicoptors directly that was time he was wasting especially when you can have dispatch take care of that. As for "OMG" this is not second guessing its something called PROTOCAL'S that were established to PREVENT incidents such as this. 5 mins vs 25mins the fact's speak for
    themselves. Totally unacceptable! "

    coyotesings wrote on Jan 8, 2009 11:29 PM:

    " My only issue as a 30 year Communictions professional is that the Chief bypassed the communications system. These systems are in place to benefit everyone. Problems often ensue from failure to utilize the proper procedures. The Chief may have lucked out this time, but it isn't something that should be common practice. "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 8, 2009 10:55 PM:

    " No matter how many people try to justify Mr Bidon's actions, the fact remains that his decision was not made in the best interest of the pt's. First of all from the time of dispatch you should be making an "IAP" such as placing helicoptors on SB and requesting additional help. How did he know at the time of dispatch that it would "take 25 mins to extricate"? and If he knew extrication was needed all the more reason to request more help and place the nearest choppers on SB and plan for a "safe LZ" to be established "

    OMG wrote on Jan 8, 2009 9:58 PM:

    " Everything worked out fine, and we have these commenters who have no idea about anything, second guessing, some even going as far as using names like, old pilot, N AZ medic, EMT, etc.
    Sincerely
    Jesus "

    Old Pilot wrote on Jan 8, 2009 8:44 PM:

    " I think one of the main points missed in this incident is the aviation safety issue. From what I know of this incident, BOTH of the Lifeline pilots failed to talk to the LifeNet helicopter who was already over the scene and had been for more than seven minutes. Noncommunication of this sort is what caused the recent fatal midair in Flagstaff. The FAA has since issued comments on this. Maybe Lifeline didn't get the memo. Have yet to respond to a scene where I couldn't find someone in charge to talk to. "

    Actually.... wrote on Jan 8, 2009 6:00 PM:

    " The closest responders who have a mutual aid agreement with WFD is PBW. Only three minutes away from the accident scene. Were they called??? No, but two of their responders were on scene and should have been utilized. "

    Cant believe what I am reading wrote on Jan 8, 2009 5:58 PM:

    " In addition, you NEVER dispatch a helo based on how long you think an extrication will take. That is only an estimate anyhow. You dispatch a helo based on how quickly they can take the pt off your hands. The chief's story has changed anyhow. He absolutely refused to talk to the Lifenet crew that day as did their helos. There is a common frequency helos are supposed to use to communicate with one another. (Anyone remember FLAGSTAFF?) Its a case of CYA now he has been called to account. "

    Cant believe what I am reading wrote on Jan 8, 2009 5:52 PM:

    " All of these comments are ridiculous. They are obviously posted by people who know nothing of ground or air EMS. The protocol of sending the closest helo is in place for the safety of the patients AND providers. The lifenet helicopter was dispatched by Tucson MEDS, as is appropriate. Anyone who has ever been on an accident scene knows that PD/sheriff/DPS are usually present in force. They could have (and often do) secured an LZ. If the chief was truly short handed the extra hands of the helo crew would have been useful. "

    NSIS wrote on Jan 8, 2009 2:35 PM:

    " Major conflict of interest. Not only did this "Chief" use helicopters that he works for that weren't the closest appropriate, he gambled with people's lives. At least you have the helicopters on the ground that can jump in to provide a higher level of care if needed. "

    launchpad wrote on Jan 8, 2009 2:16 PM:

    " this is cut and dry. this chief made his decision based on who he works for. end of story. where i work, the helicopter doesnt need to, and in the past hasnt, waited for ground crews to "secure" a safe lz. the pilot and crew know better than anyone on the ground what and where is safe and convenient. i know this from 6 years as a crew chief in the military. whats wrong with having a flight medic and flight nurse on the ground treating pts during extrication? preventing that is all he accomplished. "

    Curious wrote on Jan 8, 2009 1:46 PM:

    " I suspect that the bad blood between Chief Bidon and LifeNet probably had an influence upon his decision. Can it be proven? I doubt it. However, his actions seem to demonstrate a disregard for protocol. Ground crews appreciate the extra hands when dealing with a severly injured patient. It frees them up to do other things. I suppose the issue that it will hang upon is if there were enough people on hand to land a helicopter sooner to give more skilled hands to care for the patients. "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 8, 2009 11:27 AM:

    " What it boils down to is common sense, which its obvious that common sense was not used in this incident. Why would you want a chopper from 20-25 mins away when you have three, 5 mins away? Nothing is set in stone in this job, murphys law, things go wrong, equipment breaks down other issues arise. You can not guarantee that everything will go as planned. It all comes down to PT care and whats BEST for the pt's. Common sense says get the NEAREST helicopters REGARDLESS of who they are. "

    its the wrote on Jan 8, 2009 10:41 AM:

    " $14000 is an obscene amount of money for a ride to the hospital. That's what this whole thing is about green dollar bills. It's so obvious. "

    AZ FLIGHT MEDIC wrote on Jan 8, 2009 6:30 AM:

    " Actually mr "emt" I don't work for LifeNet. I do however put my patient care ahead of any bad feelings someone may have. After you have been in EMS more than a couple months hopfully you will learn that. Hopfully there were no bad patient outcomes due to poor descision making in this situation. By the way what does "pound the ground on the calls mean" ? What are they teaching you guys in EMT school now !! "

    Rudie Gauteng wrote on Jan 8, 2009 1:04 AM:

    " Reading the conmments, I trust that the focus will be on the patient's care and not on the monies lost by the different services! In the end the Chief made the right decision as the Incident Commander and that should be looked at as well - he used his experience of this type of incidents to make the call and it worked out well for the patients. Nowhere does it made mention on who laid the complaint and this would be interesting to know - is it purely because of protocols or is funding involved?? "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 7, 2009 9:39 PM:

    " Paramedics did they have on scene? The flight crews could be utilized to help treat the pt's untill they were extricated. It does'nt take very many people to set up a LZ, Law enforcement can easly do it. Once you get the patients out are you going to have enough people to treat and package them while others set up a LZ? Why not put the NEAREST helicoptors on SB and launch them once you get the pt's out? That would be whats BEST for the pt's not taking a gamble on what time the helo's will arrive. "

    Northern Az Medic wrote on Jan 7, 2009 9:25 PM:

    " My question would be, How did he know for sure that it would take 20 mins to get the pt's out? What if they got them out earlier? Then what? Sit on scene waiting for the helicoptors? if so for how long?... or say it took longer for them to extricate the pt's, then you now have 2 helicopters flying over the scene with no one to set up a LZ. Thats like dispatching a ground ambulance from 20 miles away when you have one 5 miles away. Whats best for the patients? Another question is how many "

    EMT wrote on Jan 7, 2009 7:18 PM:

    " Sounds like AZ FLIGHT MEDIC is mad and his bird didnt get the call. Plus why is a nurse hurting the fire dept guys feelings? She doesnt pound the ground on the calls. "

    Just another AZ Medic wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:40 PM:

    " Protocols have been put in place for a reason. Does this not mean something to the Chief, is he above following them. If everyone had this attitude than why bother with protocols. They have been established for the safety of medics, emts, and most importantly the patients. It is not our place to make the decision on which company responds. I have had the pleasure of working with all of these agencies and am thankful to have them on scene for assistance. Shame on you Chief for thinking you could do it alone. "

    Just another AZ Medic wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:32 PM:

    " I have 20 years experience in this field, it seems that the Chief should have called for backup prior to arriving, as well as put the helicoptors on standby. This is should done by your Dispatch Center. Mutual Aide Resources could have been responding to assist had they been called, providing the necessary needs for patient care and setting up a LZ. What happened to the Reserves and Volunteers for WFD. Also where was HCFD, aren't they the closest Mutual Aide for this department. Tombstone Fire was also about ten minutes from the scene. "

    Jason M. wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:14 PM:

    " Were the victim's transport delayed by the chief calling a chopper from Tucson? No. An earlier helo might have run into fuel problems due to waiting. I am curious to know if the local LifeNet Arizona is the source of the investigation and all it is is a turf war. If that is the case we are in trouble. Sorry, you have to wait for the nearest chopper. We are in their turf. "

    Old ER RN wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:00 PM:

    " Good Job Chief Bidon! He was the incident commander and knew the issues and players involved. Lifenet is a diffucult agency to work with and Lifeline & AirEvac staff are more proficient. What matters is what's best for the injured, not who didn't get to bill $14,000. "

    22 years experience in Utah wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:13 PM:

    " I hope the investigators read all these comments before making a decision. I've seen extended extrications as well... the man made an informed decision. So what if he works there? He spreads himself thin just like most of us in this field do, working 2 or 3 jobs. I hope his family and co-workers are supporting him. Good luck, Chief. "

    AZ FLIGHT MEDIC wrote on Jan 7, 2009 11:46 AM:

    " Don't fool yourselves, We all see the motivation here, as well as the obvious conflict of intrest. He did NOT use proper protocols, nor did he usilize all his resources. He DID delay patient care , and he DID compromise their health. WHY ? Because a nurse hurt the feelings of some of his staff. SUCK IT UP NANCY!!!!! "

    omg wrote on Jan 7, 2009 10:59 AM:

    " Hereford Resident: Just so you know I have experience as a first responder. So I do know a thing or maybe even 2. I agree w/ the Chief and personally want the best for my own families and would be thrilled to know that someone was taking such care of my family members that they used logic in all choices made before making a fly by the seat of your pants decisicions. I support him in his choices. He has the experience behind him that I trust in what he does. "

    to van Niekerk wrote on Jan 7, 2009 10:31 AM:

    " Kindness and courtesy doesn't save lives. I understand Bidon has many complaints about LifeNet, but to go on public television and newspapers with the complaint of rudeness does little for the respect of WFD. "

    azmedic wrote on Jan 7, 2009 10:31 AM:

    " And he says the fact that he works for LifeLine had nothing to do with his decision that day. Yea O.K. Guy!! In Arizona where helicopter companies are on every corner the competitive culture that it creates breeds this type of behavior. Ground medics that work for helicopter companies part-time or vise verse are repeatedly calling for helicopters with longer ETA's. I'm sure that the fact that he works for Lifeline had nothing to do with his decisions to file complaints with SEAMS either! I'm sure Lifeline would love to put a bird in Sierra Vista! "

    im with anthony wrote on Jan 7, 2009 10:14 AM:

    " It seems everything worked out in the end, but I have to question the "what if's". I'm sure there were more agencies on scene and why were they not used to land the helicopter/s? Bidon could have had LIfeNet on location in mins and had an actual nurse help on scene while waiting for backup. It seems like the biggest complaint Bidon had with LifeNet is rudeness. I'm sure it hurt feelings, but if it was my family in need of help, I wouldn't be too concerned with hurt feelings. "

    Just a Soldier wrote on Jan 7, 2009 8:55 AM:

    " It looks like he made the right call as far as the timing of the helo's arrival, and it all turned out well. HOWEVER, given his employment with the particular airevac company and failure to follow established protocol, it does bear investigating the possibility that he did a favor for his employer. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. The investigation will tell us that. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on Jan 7, 2009 8:42 AM:

    " To OMG: I am not biased. I am just stating facts that all you folks saying he did wrong do not know what you are talking about. None of us were there to actually see the incident take place and none of us were there when the decisions were made. Leaders make decisions all the time and he made one and it did not compromise any lives. Some of you have no first responder experience so you have no clue what goes on. I actually do have some first responder experience so I do know. "

    Don Leuchtag wrote on Jan 7, 2009 5:57 AM:

    " This guy sounds like an arrogant jerk. My guess is that his motivations had nothing to do with the patients well being but with earning "brownie points" with his employer, o what if the other helicopter got there first. They are supposed to be able to provide a higher level of care than was allready available at the scene. In regards to the one service being disrespectful, get over it. There is proably some truth to there concerns regarding the care provided by these individuals. "

    Paul van Niekerk wrote on Jan 7, 2009 5:18 AM:

    " As a flight paramedic in South Africa and having read the newpaper article carefully, I agree with the Chief 100%. As the incident commander it is his decision to make the call and I for one will not make use of a service that treats my paramedics and collegaues in a derogatory manner. If they treat equals in that manner, they will also treat the patient in the same manner!

    It was a well executed scene and time was worked out 100% - the task of the incident commander and the patient benefitted from this. Well done!! "

    OMGHereford Res. wrote on Jan 6, 2009 11:20 PM:

    " Seem a little biased, and a little put out that thier "chief" is being put in the lime light for doing wrong. Wrong is wrong no matter what spin anybody tries to put on it, like speedings-speeding no matter the reason, it's still against the law, and in this case protocols. Common sense instead of personal feelings should prevail, and Pete was wrong. "

    Anthony wrote on Jan 6, 2009 8:11 PM:

    " How about this... the EMT calls the dispatcher and tells them to put 2 helicopters on standby. The dispatcher calls the EMT back in 5 minutes and states that MEDS has the two closest on standby out of Sierra Vista. The EMT knows that when they are launched they will be at the scene in 10 minutes. When the patients are extricated and packaged the EMT's set up a secure Landing Zone for the helicopters. This sceneria beats calling helicopters from 50 miles away. Go to fox11az.com and searth "whetstone" for aeromedical pilot's opinion. "

    mad wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:23 PM:

    " All military folks out there. What happens in the U.S. military when you break protocol? Does everyone just turn their back and act as if nothing has happened? I think not! There is still more to this story that has not been released to the public.Have a nice day WFD and WFD board of directors. Was backup called for by the understaffed Fire Chief? Have you heard of mutual aid? "

    Randy wrote on Jan 6, 2009 6:45 PM:

    " Mutual aid is set up for incidents like this. When you don't have the man power you call for mutual aid! Fry Fire District or Sierra Vista Fire Department could have responded like they have in the past to provide more man power. Get the rookies out and bring in the professionals! "

    Brenda wrote on Jan 6, 2009 4:14 PM:

    " Ok, the more I read I am definately for protocol. Even if there are problems that happen at least he can blame protocol. Since I forget, everyone is into blaming rather than fixing something that needs fixing. "

    Former Lifenet Employee wrote on Jan 6, 2009 3:08 PM:

    " Lifeline and Air Evac would be my first choice in air transport if needed.
    Chief Bidon made the right deceision.
    Why was Lifenet in the air when it was not dispatched? is that ambulance chasing? Haveing an extra ship in the air overhead, could have caused a catastrophy. "

    Ghost Writer wrote on Jan 6, 2009 12:11 PM:

    " The Chief was WRONG:
    Bidon, who was the first responder on scene, is being criticized for calling air ambulances through Arizona LifeLine directly, instead of going through a dispatcher that would have sent the two closest medical helicopters.
    You call dispatch and tell to place helicopters ON STANDBY till he advises to launch. He let his personal feelings get in the way. No one died because of his actions this time. What about next time? "

    OMG wrote on Jan 6, 2009 10:27 AM:

    " The Chief has more than 20yrs experience in both small and large town fire/ems experience as well as more than 5 years in air medical experience. He has never compromised patient care and never would. He has no need to stroke his own ego. He is in it for the right reasons and truly cares about the community he serves. Everyone likes to say bad things but people forget about all of the good he has done since being here and what a giant mess he had to clean up from the prior Chief. "

    OMG wrote on Jan 6, 2009 10:24 AM:

    " I can't believe how out of contol this whole thing has become. It never needed to go to such a level. I am sure if people wanted to go to a board meeting the Chief would be happy to fill people in on the facts so that people understand. Thats the problem w/ the general public trying to understand they way things work. When you don't have all of the info it is hard to make an informed decision. So sometimes pieping down is the best thing to do. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on Jan 6, 2009 9:58 AM:

    " To Anthony: Did you not read the article or did you just skip the part that said he could not secure a LZ at the time. What good would it have done if he secured the LZ and allowed the closest helos to land and then help extract them. You might have 18 years of experience but you seem to have 0 years of incident commander experience. You are second guessing the IC's authority. "

    Agree wAnthony wrote on Jan 6, 2009 9:38 AM:

    " Thank you Anthony for your unbiased professional opinion and setting the record straight! Thank God that the two patients are okay and everything turned out well. In light of that, yes--there is a definite conflict of interest and Chief Bidon let it get in the way (shame on him)--patient care must always come first not personal clashes! Has anyone investigated his past employment and practices? (just a thought) "

    Everyone has an opinion... wrote on Jan 6, 2009 9:11 AM:

    " Arm chair quarterbacks amuse me so much. Were any of you that are condemning this man actually present at the accident scene? How many of you actually have experience working in these situations? I realize some posters here are affiliated with this type of work and those reviews seem mixed as if he did the right thing or not. I have no experience nor was I present at this accident. I can only assume that this Fire Chief used his best judgment in making his decision. He obviously didn’t become a Chief by making bad decisions. "

    Diana Barton wrote on Jan 6, 2009 8:36 AM:

    " To irritated Please do attend the Board Meetings, if you do you will find that Chief Bidon is not arrogant, he is confident and comfortable with his position in the Whetstone Fire District. This is the type of leader we need in this district.
    Usually there are only 2 people who show up to the Board Meetings, so I challenge you to come to the meetings and see how your Fire District tax dollars are used. Chief Bidon has raised the level of professionalism in the dept and if confidence is arrogance then so be it. "

    Diana Bartont wrote on Jan 6, 2009 8:30 AM:

    " It is time the Whetstone residents have a fire chief who will take a stand and make decisions. I commend Chief Bidon and his crew, they have been have had some serious accidents to attend to and the Chief has been in charge and in control. No where does it say that Chief Bidon lost control of the situation in this or any other accident. Just an air ambulance chasing company saying BOO HOO i did not make a $ on this call. "

    to Diane and Anthony wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:56 AM:

    " Diane-HCFD had problems with WFD back in the days of the last Fire Chief. Since Chief Bidon has taken over, they have reinstated the agreement of reciprocity. Anthony-maybe you aren't familiar with the area and/or scene...there was not enough law enforcement on the ground to land the helos. I can respect your experience, but if you weren't there, don't judge. And patient care WAS NOT DELAYED. That's the entire point. "

    to Irritated wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:44 AM:

    " Sorry to burs your bubble but us in the halthcare field know for a fact that most EMS personel are arrogant and can have a god-like complex it's in the initation forms we all sign (sarcasm) bottom line people lived who were alive at the scene no one had to wait for healthcare or for transportation, everyone needs to pipe down and focus on saving lives, get these old geezers off the darn road, after 65 they should have YEARLY full physicals to include REFLEXES done in order to keep that license!! "

    Graetful Citizen wrote on Jan 6, 2009 5:19 AM:

    " I understand we all have our own opinions on this issue and mine is he did the right thing. What I am upset about is that the parents of Christina are trying to moarn the loss of their precious daughter and the other families are thankful their loved ones made it and all anyone else wants to do is complain about who's hand was in who's pocket. I feel for all 3 of the families and for the emergancy personell. But I feel worse for Christinas parents who are living it all over. "

    Support for Bidon wrote on Jan 6, 2009 12:56 AM:

    " It was nice to see how many people wrote in support for Mr. Bidon, especially those who have worked in the emergency field and know what its really like on the scene. Bidon has worked very hard since taking this new position and has made an effort to find resources available for training his crew and also allowing others to participate. He obviously has a great compassion for the future of Cochise County as a whole. Criticism from the "know-it-alls, who-know-nothing" are talkers, not helpers. Bidon has enthusiasm, give him a break. Tombstone Supporter "

    Anthony wrote on Jan 5, 2009 8:34 PM:

    " I am one of the first 100 Certified Flight Paramedics in the US with over 18years of EMS experience.As a professional, Bidon should have called Meds for dispatching the helos and had law enforcement land them.This system is established and proven.Aeromedical crews will perform advanced lifesaving procedures that the Fire Depts can't perform, even if the patients are still entrapped.How did he know it would take 25min to extricate the patients and that 2 Lifeline ships were available?If short handed,why not use the aeromedical crews to take care of the patients? Why delay patient care? "

    waags427 wrote on Jan 5, 2009 6:36 PM:

    " WHAT WAS THE MEDICAL OUTCOME OF THE OTHER 2 PATIENTS? THEY ARE THE FIRST PRIORITY AND THEY WERE BEING TAKEN CARE OF. YOU CAN'T FLY THEM UNTIL YOU EXTRICATE THEM. IT SOUNDS THAT THIS WORKED IN "TEXTBOOK" FASHION. KUDOS TO THE CHIEF FOR A JOB WELL DONE. IT YOU WERE NOT ON THE SCENE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE. LEAVE THE MAN ALONE!! "

    Bad decision is WRONG wrote on Jan 5, 2009 4:52 PM:

    " Read "TraumaMedic." He/she knows that they are talking about. Would you have your loved one wait to be extricated while they secured a landing spot? I think not. The Chief knew how long it would take. He chose not to have helicopters hovering uselessly overhead waiting for patients to be freed from the wreckage. The patient's needs should always come first, and that would not have happened if they had done things your way. "

    Concerned citizen wrote on Jan 5, 2009 4:08 PM:

    " Protocol is protocol. Not following protocol is wrong and even sometimes criminal. I am in emergency services and can tell you that everyone doesn't like everyone else all of the time. Do what's right Chief and step away from one of your positions. If you do so then motives can't be questioned in the future! It still sounds like a conflict of interest at the very least. "

    irritated wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:20 PM:

    " As a taxpayer in the district I am disappointed with the Fire District. Chief Bidon was interviewed by channel 11 and was nothing but arrogant. Most people who have worked in the medical field do not agree with some of the protocols. But because we don't agree with them doesn't mean we don't have to follow them. He said he would not follow protocol. If any other residents are concerned over the issue maybe we need to show up for the next board meeting to vocalize our concerns. "

    eye for details wrote on Jan 5, 2009 2:04 PM:

    " I agree w/Bugleboy. The LZ was not ready for the LifeNet heli and the Chief had "no one available to land a helicopter ... due to the limited number of people at the scene." "[G]round crews were busy EXTRICATING and HELPING the accident victims." (emphasis added) Can't use air medics on the ground until you can put them there safely. MUST handle first things first. The Chief used his professional training and experience to get the job done effectively and efficiently. "

    Diane wrote on Jan 5, 2009 10:05 AM:

    " Didn't HCFD have a problem with Whetstone to? Maybe it is the people at Whetstone, because they are the only common denominator. Compramise? Yes that is what was done. Biden failed to ask for additional help when needed, by his own admission, they didn't have enough people on the ground to secure a landing zone. "

    Dont miss the point wrote on Jan 5, 2009 10:04 AM:

    " The closest helicopters could have been put on standby, which means the crew is sitting in the aircraft ready to lift off, then called by the Incident Command to arrive when the patients were close to being extricated. Let's not miss the reasons the Chief won't use the aircraft at the hospital. There must be compelling issues. "

    Another Whetstone Resident wrote on Jan 5, 2009 9:58 AM:

    " Having dealt with Chief Bidon on several occasions now, I cannot say enough good things about this man. I cannot believe that someone would have the audacity to second guess his actions when his first priority was patient care. Certain beaurocrats are mad that they aren't receiving their cut and that's why they are complaining. By focusing first on patient care, he saved Chad's life. Bottom line. Good work, Chief Bidon! "

    OMG wrote on Jan 5, 2009 7:12 AM:

    " know all of the facts. LifeNet is a company that likes to bully and make lawsuit threats when they don't get their way. "

    OMG wrote on Jan 5, 2009 7:11 AM:

    " You want to talk about not following the rules? The state requires air ambulances to have their tale #s tracked so that they can send the closest. LifeNet is the only company in the state that doesn't follow this rule. Everyone is forgetting the fact that everyone lived (that wasn't DOA). He did what was right. Look up the air ambulance pricing. LifeNet is the most expensive. LifeNet doen'st always have a crew (as they are supposed to) available @ SVRHC. That one was on another call when it tried to jump the wreck. Don't judge til you "

    Skydog wrote on Jan 5, 2009 5:54 AM:

    " If the state is invetigating, what can they actually do? Suspend Pete's certification? If so, does that mean he will no longer be able to take command of a scene?
    You do NOT need an EMT certification to act in the incident command role.

    This is not a patient care issue. "

    Brenda wrote on Jan 4, 2009 10:10 PM:

    " I certainly think he made the right decision. He is a professional. I don't believe he endangered anyone he had a plan. "

    J.S. wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:59 PM:

    " He could have put the two closest helicopter on standby and launched them when he had a secured LZ. What about the Nogales and Douglas communities? If those communities needed to fly someone out, now they would have had to wait 30 minutes to get a helicopter there. For him to say how long the extrication was going to take, and to launch helicopters from far away to try to time it is just arrogant. Does that mean Tucson Fire should launch someone from Sierra Vista if they expect an extrication to last 30 minutes? "

    impartial_reader wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:59 PM:

    " "LifeNet sent a helicopter to the scene, too, though they were not dispatched by Bidon."
    Why did they respond? They sound like ambulance chasers! Every chopper in the county showed up; what if there was a wreck elsewhere while they were trying to collect some billable hours where they were not needed? "

    FireMedic wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:55 PM:

    " It sounds like the Whetstone Chief made a good call and by doing so has ruffled some feathers/egos. Life Net is a for profit company like most of the other air medical companies and should step up to the plate when there are operational issues (ie) scene calls not going smoothly. They should of sent reps/base chief to deal with the issue directly. In these economic times where a med flight costs $7500 or more it is not just their right to show up, but to earn their keep. "

    Joan wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:26 PM:

    " AIr crews can help with extrication, this is known all over. He did make a bad call, based on his own feelings for the company, not for professional reasons. The WFD Board should be watching this, and making recommendations to the "Chief", because it's the residents who will pay when the departments sued. I'm sure there was more than just a few WFD people on scene, and if they were the only ones on scene, then why didn't he call for more back up, if it was more than he could handle as it sounds like now. "

    just same ole stuff wrote on Jan 4, 2009 7:56 PM:

    " So we can critize him... lets join in n or inadequate hospital with 'staff" who are on probation and have to pass a drug screening once a week to continue giving you care... how about the doctors who let thei interns do all the work and not once come in and see you personally, I walked out of the hospital with a concussion, my daughter had a broken ankle and was forced to walk out both incidents MISDIAGNOSED... Good Job Bidon!!! "

    Retired fire captain wrote on Jan 4, 2009 7:15 PM:

    " Let the man do his job. He, and his crew were there so they were the experts at the time.

    It never fails on an accident scene that someone 'could' have done it better. "

    TraumaMedic wrote on Jan 4, 2009 6:33 PM:

    " If you are not in the emergency medicine field, don't second guess the professionals who are. It sounds to me like Bidon made a sound, reasoned decision based upon the situation at the scene. It makes no sense to have a bird burning fuel circling overhead when patients haven't been extricated, and a landing zone has not been secured. The first step is to get the patient(s) extricated no one is going anywhere if they are still entangled in a twisted automobile. Bidon did the best he could, and did not compromise patient care. "

    Dont Second Guess wrote on Jan 4, 2009 6:26 PM:

    " You are not in the field let me help you understand... If there was a second tragedy that needed that helicopter PARKED at the scene WAITING on extracation then the second set of victims may not get the help necessary this gentleman made the right call based on the information he had. "

    Another air medical provider wrote on Jan 4, 2009 6:08 PM:

    " Having been in the air medical profession of another state for 5 years and fire/rescue for 15 years, this type of incident goes on very frequently. I have personally waited on scene for 45 minutes and assisted with patient care until the extrication could be completed. The chiefs on words, “We were extremely busy because of the magnitude of the accident." You would think he could have utilized the assistance from the air crew. This is just another reason people are demanding federal regulation that is not needed. "

    ANgel 1 wrote on Jan 4, 2009 6:03 PM:

    " This would not have brought back Christina Waller she was DOA at the scene. Everyone else is fine due to being alive. He did what he thought was in the best interest of the victims. "

    Whetstone Resident wrote on Jan 4, 2009 5:30 PM:

    " Why did the Cheif not have AirEvacs number on hand as well as Lifeline and LifeNet shouldn't he have them all so the closest one can respond? Sounds like the Cheif is hiding something. "

    Thankful citizen wrote on Jan 4, 2009 5:25 PM:

    " Well, I fell the Chief had it under control and did the best for the victims and his staff. To have a helicopter hovering over everyone while our medics are trying to stay focused on saving lives would not have been the safest thing to do. By assesing the situtation and calculating the times it was going to take it all worked out uninterupted and as safely as possible. The victoms were in very good hands with the responding agency and are doing well I've heard. Thank you Chief Bidon and your agency for your dedication to patient care. "

    Mike wrote on Jan 4, 2009 4:48 PM:

    " No-one should ever bypass rules set in place, especially in EMS, regardless of personal feelings, they should be followed. WFD chief shows true arrogance in making the decision, that his way is the only way, and the states policies only mean something when they go along with his ideas. I've met WFD's EMS/FF and yes some do lack leadership and skills while on scene. I value LifeNet, they have always shown great manners and skill, if something happend, then it takes two! If Dave Harnden felt unappreciated, then he probably didn't get the pat on the back he wanted. "

    Correct call wrote on Jan 4, 2009 4:37 PM:

    " The fire chief was an effective incident commander. If the helos had arrived earlier they would have detracted from the extraction tasks and stablization efforts of the emergency personnel on the ground. The fact that the helo that arrived on the scene without being requested was not needed. If a bad call had been made, they would have put that bird on the ground immediately. Let the professionals handle emergency activities. "

    ya right.... wrote on Jan 4, 2009 4:27 PM:

    " He didn't have the phone number to contact Air Evac? The Fire Chief??? "

    Bugleboy wrote on Jan 4, 2009 3:49 PM:

    " I disagree with 'Bad Decision'. Chief Biden made the right decision in this call. He knew the time of rescue and since he could not secure a landing zone before the patient rescue, the Helicopters would have been no help and wasting valuable fuel and time that they could have been called to another accident. At no time was any patient in greater danger than if a closer chopper was called. "

    EMT wrote on Jan 4, 2009 3:43 PM:

    " First of all....Seeing how he is the fire chief and was already on seen it was his decision to call out an ambluance or life flight. I am guessing that the fire chief is atleast EMT-Basic certified and is qualified to make the decision on patient care. PLUS how often are the local helicopters available? Not very often. They are to busy taking people to Tucson for paper cuts because our local hospital cant handle it. Had he called locally they would have just taken them to Tucson anyway. Dont judge the chief. Remember... We pay him to make decisions. "

    Wayne wrote on Jan 4, 2009 3:23 PM:

    " My question to this is, why or since when does a state health dept tell and EMS provider which air medical service they can use? This should be up to the EMS provider. Granted the closer service should be used. However, some like to wait. Like the service in Texas...they will sit and wait 30 minutes for their "liked" provider. "

    Wayne wrote on Jan 4, 2009 3:20 PM:

    " As a medic, I can understand where the Chief is coming from. However, it is best practices that you use the closest air medical support that you can. But, since it was going to take time to get these people out, this would mean that the 2 closest helicopters would have been sitting there waiting. There is a service in Texas that refuses to use the closer of 2 helicopters, and waits the 20-30 minutes for the one they "like". But a medic that works for the local is a medic for the "liked" provider. "

    to bad decision wrote on Jan 4, 2009 3:11 PM:

    " +
    Please reread this part of the article, it does not appear anyone was compromised.

    Based on the taped conversation, LifeNet was told that once a landing zone could be secured, Bidon would be willing to use their air ambulance if the LifeLine helicopters had not yet arrived by the time the patients were extricated. However, because of the time it took to disentangle the accident victims from their vehicles, the other two helicopters were on scene when the extrication was completed, and it was not necessary to use the LifeNet helicopter. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on Jan 4, 2009 2:29 PM:

    " To Bad decision: You apparently did not read the article and jumped to your conclusion without facts. The helicopter would have been circling around with no safe landing zone. I guess you would want the EMS folks to stop trying to get your family member out while they land the helicopter. I for one think he managed his time wisely and efficiently from the article. You can arm chair quarterback all you want but fact is he got the job done. "

    hit them where it hurts wrote on Jan 4, 2009 2:26 PM:

    " Life Net is probably only upset because they missed out on charging someone $14,000 to transport to Tucson. "

    t wrote on Jan 4, 2009 2:18 PM:

    " Also, why did Life Net respond if they weren't called to the scene? Were they trying to horn in on the business? Like an ambulance chasing lawyer, how seedy can you get?! "

    t wrote on Jan 4, 2009 2:15 PM:

    " If I had to be flown out I would prefer LifeLine over Life Net any day. I have had a family member flown out by both companies and LifeNet was rude to us. LifeLine was called and was there in 10 minutes just like they said they would be and they let us kiss our family member goodbye before they left. It was our last goodbye and was respectful Thanks LifeLine "

    armchair quarterbacker dont know wrote on Jan 4, 2009 1:59 PM:

    " According to the story: ..“I had nobody available to land a helicopter, as we had a limited number of people at the scene.”

    Bidon said he knew it would take about 25 minutes to extricate the accident victims, the same estimated time of arrival he was given by the two air ambulances that he called..."

    Why don't we let the person in charge of the scene BE the person in charge? Read the story carefully - Biden did everything correctly and in the best interest of the patients. To bad if he ticked off the money machine in the process. "

    Whetstone Resident wrote on Jan 4, 2009 12:18 PM:

    " Can you say "Conflict of Interest"?!? "

    Good planner wrote on Jan 4, 2009 12:01 PM:

    " I won't care who shows up as long as they show up. I'm sure the Chief doesn't make any money off of who he calls. Some are good planners and know the situation. Sound to me the Chief knows both. As for "bad decision" I'm sure you stating what you did sitting in a chair and not in a wreck waiting to be extracked. What are you going to ask everyone on the there if they work for the helicopter company and say don't touch me. Get a clue "bad decision" Good job Chief! "

    no judge wrote on Jan 4, 2009 11:39 AM:

    " I can see where the extrication could easily take 25 minutes- if not more. What's the point of having an E-Vac in a holding position for 20 minutes burning fuel up? Who are these people trying to fool...he did nothing wrong, leave him alone. He's a good man doing a tough job most people couldn't hack. Don't blame someone else's bad judgement on a decent person. "

    Smart decision wrote on Jan 4, 2009 11:38 AM:

    " I think the important thing to remember is that patient care was not compromised. I would rather have staff helping with the extrication and emergency care of patients then off trying to secure a landing site. I believe the chief did exactly what was necessary to ensure proper care for the victims of this accident. "

    no judge wrote on Jan 4, 2009 11:35 AM:

    " I can see where the extrication could easily take 25 minutes- if not more. What's the point of having an E-Vac in a holding position for 20 minutes burning fuel up? I do wish that extrication equiptment could be gotten onto the scene's of accidents more quickly.. Would it be unrealistic tfor a flight to deliver it on scene? "

    LoveShelties wrote on Jan 4, 2009 11:20 AM:

    " Of course calling the closest helicopter sounds like the best decision, but if you READ the article it fully explains that the first copter couldn't land due to the need to use all resources first to get to the patients. Those who work at accident scenes know what this crew was up against fighting for the lives of two children. Sounds to me like its a money fight over who got the helicopter business. "

    Kea wrote on Jan 4, 2009 11:14 AM:

    " But if the patient is still trapped in the wreckage, what is the point of the helicopter hanging around waiting? It sounds like Mr. Bidon knows what he is doing...perhaps better than the average newspaper reader. "

    things worked out wrote on Jan 4, 2009 10:52 AM:

    " As a person not involved with any of this, by impression is that the closest people should be the people called first. I don't understand why a phone number for the closest people wasn't something that a chief would have. There is no need for anyone in an emergency vehicle to be rude to anyone. Everyone needs to be treated with respect and dignity. Since this worked out ok then I don't see the big deal. Someone has to be in charge of a situation and subordinates need to follow directives. "

    read better wrote on Jan 4, 2009 10:13 AM:

    " Did you not read the story? the fire chief did exactly what he had to do upon assessing the situation. Would you have wanted LifeNet to show up and take those two kids to SVRH with the injuries they had? And who wants to end up at SVRH? "

    anon wrote on Jan 4, 2009 10:04 AM:

    " What is the big friggin deal? Everything worked out fine. His plan worked. Does he have authority on the scene or doesnt he? Sounds like unauthorized second guessing to me. "

    Great decision making wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:54 AM:

    " Why have the helos arrive before transport? Why divert ground assets from extraction to assist in landing prep? Evacualtion management is a critical portion of any accident and appears to be spot on... "

    God Forbid wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:40 AM:

    " God forbid I was ever in need of airvac. BUT if something did happen like the case above I would like Mr. Bidon to be in charge of the sceen. After reading this story it sounds likes Mr. Bidon took charge and made everything run smoothly. Good job Sir. I'm just glad that since somebody went behind his back and called for extra choppers that there wasnt a accident in the sky. "

    BS wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:40 AM:

    " This is bull, he has had incidents with LifeNet, it is apparent he chose to bypass them even though they were closest. You NEVER put your personal issues ahead of procedure when you are in the life saving business. This is unacceptable. "

    Ok wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:39 AM:

    " It sounds like Bidon did all the right things. I think he made a good qualified decision based on the circumstances. The fact that he works for the one company is immaterial. The only thing the other companies would have done is hover and possibly cause more damage and add to the confusion. Good call Bidon. "

    Wow wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:32 AM:

    " All that I can say is, wow! "

    FireDog wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:24 AM:

    " There were other responders available and on scene to help. One can only wonder now if the turnout for this situation would have been different had they not been told to "get out of the way" by the Whetstone responders. I still say there is a conflict of interest. Have a Happy New Year! "

    Concerned citizen wrote on Jan 4, 2009 9:17 AM:

    " With time and available resources being the issue for Chief Bidon.....I wonder if other emergency responders from other jurisdictions were called? If they had been, would there have been a safe landing area for the helicopters sooner? There are mutual aid agreements with all of the area responders! "

    Right on wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:54 AM:

    " Sounds like Bidon knows what he is doing. "

    RB wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:46 AM:

    " Bad Decision: Which part of that article did you NOT read? He had nobody to clear a landing area, and the patients were trapped in the vehicles anyway. So regardless how quickly the choppers arrived, they still would have hovered for 20 minutes. Good job under difficult circumstances, Bidon... "

    SandBox wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:33 AM:

    " Sad. You "professional" EMS personnel need to grow up and stop the "My toy is bigger than your toy crap." Lives are at stake here. It is way too easy to picture some of the folks in this story in the sandbox with "mom" standing in between them rather than the "professionals" their credentials state they are. Welcome back to the "me, me, me" mentality of the 90's. "

    Hope I never need health svcs in Whetstone wrote on Jan 4, 2009 8:08 AM:

    " I just hope and pray that I never need ambulance services in Whetstone. Where is the Whetstone Fire District Board of Directors? "

    Iris Lynch wrote on Jan 4, 2009 7:50 AM:

    " Well written complete story. "

    desert resident wrote on Jan 4, 2009 7:44 AM:

    " I'll bet that if the former fire chief were still working for Whetstone District, she would have handled it the right way!!!!! Shame on him for making this decision. If it were a relative of mine, I would certainly want the helicopter closest to the scene and could get there the fastest. "

    To bad decision wrote on Jan 4, 2009 7:35 AM:

    " So you would want people to stop extricating your loved one from the vehicle to secure a landing spot, and then have the helicopter sit on the ground waiting for your loved one while the crew finished cutting the car off? Doesn't sound too bright. Also, ho do you think will pay for the time the helicopter just sits? That would be you or your loved one. Insurance doesn't pay for everything. "

    Divas wrote on Jan 4, 2009 7:30 AM:

    " It sure sounds like an investigation of the air transport system and it's various helicopter teams is needed. If what is printed in this article is true, there are some divas within the air transport system who need an attitude adjustment. It sounds like Mr. Bidon put the patients' needs first, and that is how it should be. Patients first - period, and they should be met with quality care and compassion. There is NO room for any other "attitude" in these situations. "

    Giuseppi wrote on Jan 4, 2009 7:26 AM:

    " Good point "bad decision" but as stated in the article - the closest helo's arriving could not land due to no safe LZ and the patients were not yet extracted. Timing was almost perfect for this incident. There may be issues of Bidon calling the company he works for, but is that really improper? I think he did the right thing and if it were my familiy I'd like Bidon to be the incident commander on site... "

    Greatful Citizen wrote on Jan 4, 2009 7:17 AM:

    " I understand were bad decision is coming from, however, if it was going to take 20-25 min to remove the victims and u have a helicopter just sitting there waiting on scene, I have scene it before were they just up and leave because the rec'd another call not to far away and have left to take that call because of the time it was going to take before they could move victims at current scene. It just matters to me that when the victims needed to be moved some one was right there. "

    Greatful Citizen wrote on Jan 4, 2009 7:12 AM:

    " I would just like to say how sorry I am to the family of the young girl who was killed in this accident, my prayers are with you all. On the issue at hand however, I would like to say we should be commending this man. He saved the lives of 2 other people at the accident. My husband was at the scene of this tradgic accident and he was telling me about the helicopters landing. We should be thanking him. I know if it were me or my family I would want him onscene "

    bad decision wrote on Jan 4, 2009 5:58 AM:

    " if those accident victims were my family i would want the closest helicopter to be called. not the one the fire chief works for. "

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